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H2O Man

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86. Okay.
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 10:14 PM
Tuesday

I will estimate that in 47.6% of my posts over 20+ years on this forum, I have fit the sport of boxing in, even when it doesn't fit, because I am convinced all of life imitates the sport of boxing. I note that one of my good friend's brother-in-law, Jerry Quarry, despised being called "the white hope." When Jerry fought, he was always introduced as Irish Jerry Quarry, which he and his family liked.

Now, I boxed in many, many bouts. Just as when I fought on the undercard of Jerry's brother-in-law's upset victory over a fighter who would soon win a world title, I was always introduced as "Irish." Never once as white. Now, back in that era, there was racism in most all levels of the sport, starting in the locker rooms where different groups of fighters frequently were hostile to other groups. In recent times, when my son and nephew won Golden Gloves titles, I was pleased that this nonsense no longer existed. The fighters were almost all friendly and polite with other folks. I can't say that held for some of the old trainers, but for most.

Now, in each one of his fights, my son was introduced to the crowd as "Irish." Not white, nor was my nephew noted for being black. That is because there is a certain status in the boxing community's expectations of Irish fighters.

Now, I'm very old, surely one of the oldest people in human history, and happiest when I am annoyed by something. Since I love boxers, I will instead focus on the boxing community. Within it, I have noticed that a number of them do something that others, including many of those I otherwise like a great deal, will start a story with, "There was a black guy ...." I know this because, as I self-identify as "Irish," I am able to pass quietly through white society. Not that I am ever silent, of course. But they never start with, "There was a white guy." Now, I'm not suggesting that they are "bad" people, or would consider themselves to be racist. But I notice what words people use.

Fast forward to current events in America today ...... there is a racist fuck in the White House. Lots of them in the administration. By no coincidence, most are white. More, most maga are white. Most racist hate gangs, such as the one that attacked one of my high school nephews, leaving him with life-threatening injuries, were white. The judge that said in open court that he did not think the gang members calling my nephew a "stupid ni___er" indicated race was a factor in the violent crime was white. The white christian nationalists are almost exclusively white, are they not?

So I self-identify as being different than white. One person here called it "white privilege" for me to do this. I call it an obligation as a citizen of the United States that has long been opposed to the racism of white folks. But, again, that's just me. I will add that I live in a house with photographs of my ancestors, both in Ireland and the U.S., who uses the tools my father gave me that his father gave him, who has furniture that my ancestors used, and who has a large labyrinth/garden that literally every visitor has commented "is so Irish. I prepare Irish meals, and find our society's St. Patrick's Day traditions offensive.

Although I might be dull-witted, I have long studied sociology and psychology. My employment has been in both fields. Thus, I am fascinated in various cultures' history and traditions.

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Okay. H2O Man Tuesday #86
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Thank you H2O Man Tuesday #88
This is a perfect example of white privilege: Celerity Tuesday #82
That's great H2O Man Tuesday #84
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She sat at dinner tables not the meeting table... questionseverything Tuesday #73
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Well yes, she could have. H2O Man Tuesday #81
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That's fair, but... Happy Hoosier Yesterday #93
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I think that you are not alone. I understand what Michelle means, but wnylib Tuesday #26
ironically in my work -- the imposters never seem to feel like imposters. just arrogant POS JT45242 Tuesday #31
Agree that impostors nevrr seem to feel like impostors. wnylib Tuesday #36
Absolutely... furthermore... Happy Hoosier Tuesday #32
But did THEY acknowledge that they were impostors is the question... live love laugh Yesterday #90
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You just described me genxlib Tuesday #56
I'm a white man getting a Ph.D. in neurobiology mr715 Tuesday #3
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Just be glad your not a white dumbass, like me! Doodley Tuesday #71
I'm a white dumbass. mr715 Tuesday #72
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I wish there was a pill? Prairie_Seagull Tuesday #20
Ah, sweet Xanax... mr715 Tuesday #60
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Both my youngest son and I, white men have experienced it. NNadir Tuesday #41
IIRC, when asked if she was ever intimidated by these meetings, she said, "No, they're not all that smart." OMGWTF Tuesday #43
Maybe Michelle Obama had a different meaning FakeNoose Tuesday #48
I hate to say this: PCIntern Tuesday #49
She hasn't talked to me. Hassler Tuesday #50
Sorry Mrs Obama ironman99 Tuesday #52
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Well, I've never heard a black woman talk about impostor syndrome. Intractable Tuesday #58
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Huge gaffe... gulliver Tuesday #63
It's clear MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #64
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It's a fact that some white men are more insecure or less fortunate than some black men. Doodley Tuesday #70
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*headdesk* Does she even know what it is? sakabatou Yesterday #89
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Michelle apparently never talked to a white man like my boyfriend. Boyfriend said Raine Yesterday #92
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