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-misanthroptimist

(2,102 posts)
113. That's what makes it difficult
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 08:05 AM
10 hrs ago

Every accusation of SA deserves to be investigated. OTOH, as point out, it can be extremely difficult to investigate since it may come down to he said/she said.

That leaves us nowhere good. On the one hand, every decent person wants to get justice for the victim. On the other hand, our commitment to justice as we traditionally understand it, is to require sufficient evidence before convicting someone.

So what do we do in such circumstances? I think that as a society it's imperative to uphold our commitment to traditional justice. Unfortunately, that means many, perhaps most, of these bastards will get away with it.

Fat lot of good that does for the victims, I know, but I can't think of any other way to handle it that doesn't scream "Danger!"

The best I can do is to hope that where criminal justice can't carry the load that civil justice can step in and provide some sort of rough justice. The standard of evidence for winning a civil suit is much lower than in the criminal sphere, so there is a reasonable chance to win even in a he said/she said instance. It won't put the rapist in prison, but it will cost him money and attach a big social stigma. That is, I think, better than nothing.

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Nonsense bucolic_frolic Yesterday #1
* Only if they're Republicans. BannonsLiver Yesterday #7
You got me bucolic_frolic Yesterday #45
Hopefully, providing that there is some verifiable evidence... -misanthroptimist Yesterday #2
Oh puh-leeze... milestogo Yesterday #3
Quantity isn't quality -misanthroptimist Yesterday #4
And if this were happening to men instead of women we wouldn't even be having this discussion. milestogo Yesterday #5
You're saying no evidence is required from women making this claim? live love laugh Yesterday #12
I neither trust nor believe men or women based on their gender -misanthroptimist Yesterday #19
Throughout history men have been easily believed milestogo 2 hrs ago #153
Well, you let me know if that happens here, will you? -misanthroptimist 2 hrs ago #158
It happens here on DU every day. milestogo 1 hr ago #163
Then why put up with it? -misanthroptimist 1 hr ago #165
I make liberal use of the 'ignore' tool. milestogo 1 hr ago #166
No one said anything about witnesses or cameras -misanthroptimist Yesterday #23
To prove something in a court of law you need evidence. milestogo Yesterday #26
I agree it can be difficult to prove -misanthroptimist Yesterday #31
And FYI- attempted rapes are usually not prosecuted. milestogo Yesterday #51
I know. -misanthroptimist 23 hrs ago #60
My daughter went to the hospital Lifeafter70 21 hrs ago #82
I'm so sorry for what your daughter went through mcar 21 hrs ago #85
The authorities were upset with her because she couldn't do it. Lifeafter70 21 hrs ago #88
First, my heart goes out to your daughter -misanthroptimist 21 hrs ago #86
This happened at work Lifeafter70 21 hrs ago #90
actually they are North Coast Lawyer 2 hrs ago #149
For every 1000 sexual assaults milestogo 2 hrs ago #161
Believe no one. North Coast Lawyer 2 hrs ago #150
Did she go to a hospital and claim rape and there are the results of the rape kit as evidence? CozyMystery 1 hr ago #164
There is evidence. SamuelAdams Yesterday #10
Do you a link for that or a source article on those emails, I can't find one. Thanks. nt blue_jay Yesterday #15
The politico article that started today's avalanche of calls to resign Ms. Toad 16 hrs ago #109
Thanks blue_jay 4 hrs ago #143
You're talking about a specific case -misanthroptimist Yesterday #18
Yes wern't most of the first batch of accusations, IbogaProject Yesterday #25
No idea -misanthroptimist Yesterday #28
No obamanut2012 Yesterday #30
No. Try again mcar 21 hrs ago #80
Wow. MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #37
You can let go of the pearls -misanthroptimist Yesterday #38
Oh, really? MorbidButterflyTat 21 hrs ago #94
What things seem to you is of no consequence to anyone but you -misanthroptimist 21 hrs ago #96
She could be cashing a nice, Republican check. Ever thought about that? paleotn Yesterday #43
Prove it. MorbidButterflyTat 21 hrs ago #92
We could say the same of the accusations, prove it questionseverything 2 hrs ago #160
That's all the rape apologists have been saying MorbidButterflyTat 11 min ago #170
He has not been convicted but there is sufficient evidence and doubt about his story that Wonder Why 20 hrs ago #100
The matter at hand is not convicting a man whopis01 5 hrs ago #136
It's a fair and reasonable POV -misanthroptimist 5 hrs ago #137
The system and timing left them out, not me. whopis01 4 hrs ago #138
That happens -misanthroptimist 4 hrs ago #139
I strongly suggest that you acquaint yourself with the actual statistics niyad 23 hrs ago #57
You should indeed be shaking your head -misanthroptimist 23 hrs ago #62
Yet, by your statements, every woman who makes a report is niyad 22 hrs ago #65
Nonsense -misanthroptimist 22 hrs ago #70
You have made yourself perfectly clear. niyad 22 hrs ago #71
Good -misanthroptimist 22 hrs ago #73
As I said, perfectly clear. niyad 22 hrs ago #74
And you got in the last word -misanthroptimist 22 hrs ago #75
I truly hope that there are no women iin your life who would hope for niyad 7 hrs ago #128
So dramatic! -misanthroptimist 3 hrs ago #146
Dramatic? wow, sounds like I touched a nerve there. niyad 1 hr ago #162
Well, you changed the topic from Platner to me -misanthroptimist 1 hr ago #167
They sure have. SMDH mcar 21 hrs ago #83
Crystal. MorbidButterflyTat 21 hrs ago #95
The woman's testimony is evidence iemanja 6 hrs ago #133
She has messages to a woman mentioning it from dsc 22 hrs ago #66
Glad you asked -misanthroptimist 22 hrs ago #68
We, and they, have had this woman's name for a month dsc 22 hrs ago #69
Great. -misanthroptimist 22 hrs ago #72
I hear, but there are often no witnesses, believe me, I know. Joinfortmill 12 hrs ago #112
That's what makes it difficult -misanthroptimist 10 hrs ago #113
Mike Tyson's rape case also had no hard evidence Polybius 9 hrs ago #117
Obviously, there was MorbidButterflyTat 4 hrs ago #140
You tell me. Exactly how many? -misanthroptimist Yesterday #39
I think it depends on the man. milestogo Yesterday #46
And therein lies a problem -misanthroptimist 23 hrs ago #64
"the same accusation made by multiple people" milestogo 22 hrs ago #79
Too Much Deference to Platner Starbeach Yesterday #50
He is apparently receiving around 4k/month VA disability. But, as I niyad 21 hrs ago #87
You mean people associated with republicans ? Or just any old body? BComplex 7 hrs ago #121
What's that supposed to prove? MorbidButterflyTat 4 hrs ago #141
Politico (who broke the story) said that they reviewed documents. lapucelle Yesterday #29
Her account of the episode. lapucelle Yesterday #35
But some here need way more details mcar 21 hrs ago #84
I hear you. MorbidButterflyTat 20 hrs ago #103
Thanks mcar 20 hrs ago #104
I'm sorry, I find the whole story a bit unbelievable. infullview 8 hrs ago #120
"this woman could be mentally ill" milestogo 7 hrs ago #122
It happens. I had a woman stalker. infullview 7 hrs ago #123
And did she publicly accuse you of rape? milestogo 7 hrs ago #130
No, Fortunately, but it was scary. infullview 6 hrs ago #131
It was scary??? MorbidButterflyTat 4 hrs ago #144
Pretty amazing default response. lapucelle 7 hrs ago #129
The operative word there was "allegedly" infullview 5 hrs ago #134
Nah, the operative words are "snuck into her house and assaulted her". lapucelle 5 hrs ago #135
Careful there. That might cause potential Republican propaganda not to work. paleotn Yesterday #42
MAGA feel the same exact way about their pervert in chief. Raftergirl 21 hrs ago #89
Words in frustration. My original post. paleotn 21 hrs ago #91
Nope. I may not always love a candidate, but I would never vote for a rapist. That is not something one Raftergirl 21 hrs ago #97
I agree, that is beyond the pale. paleotn 20 hrs ago #102
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Raftergirl 20 hrs ago #105
Apparently there are emails between her and her therapist synni 23 hrs ago #63
"If this can be believed" -misanthroptimist 22 hrs ago #67
This guy MorbidButterflyTat 21 hrs ago #98
Agreed on all counts. :) -misanthroptimist 21 hrs ago #99
I'm so sick of it PatSeg Yesterday #6
Apparently. milestogo Yesterday #8
Yes and that is why campaigns usually PatSeg Yesterday #13
Maybe he didn't think anything he did was wrong MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #14
I was working for a candidate and a story came out milestogo Yesterday #20
Yes and that's actually worse PatSeg 23 hrs ago #55
or run as a repuke Skittles Yesterday #33
Men who do this believe that most men do this, and Maru Kitteh Yesterday #40
Probably true PatSeg 23 hrs ago #58
The gentleman had some questionable behavior in the past Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #21
he's a straight white man Skittles Yesterday #34
I'm seeing some posts implying if republicans vote for scum Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #41
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Yesterday #9
The stuff is hitting the fan. Jacson6 Yesterday #11
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Raftergirl Yesterday #16
THANK YOU Skittles Yesterday #17
Or they can switch to the GOP and get elected to the highest offices, i.e. president, SCOTUS. Katinfl Yesterday #22
yup Skittles Yesterday #36
This can cure the problem. twodogsbarking Yesterday #24
Thank You! Innocent Smith Yesterday #27
+1000! mcar Yesterday #32
Susan Collins sends her thanks! She doesn't know what she'd do without Dems doing her work for her. paleotn Yesterday #44
Aww, bless your heart mcar 21 hrs ago #93
First off, he's not my guy. paleotn 20 hrs ago #101
On the slightest pretext? Credible accusation of rape, mcar 9 hrs ago #118
People always forget to add "...and worked for Blackwater in Afghanistan"....after he got out of the military EX500rider 39 min ago #168
The list is that long. Why was it all ignored? mcar 16 min ago #169
It's sickening. MorbidButterflyTat 23 hrs ago #52
x 1000 RockCreek 22 hrs ago #78
Apparently "Believe all women" was just a soundbite MichMan 22 hrs ago #76
The Maine Democratic Party calls on Graham Planter to drop out of the Senate race. LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #47
My aunt was nearly murdered by her wacko husband Just_Vote_Dem Yesterday #48
So another 6 years of Collins? The Supreme Court appointments she supported did more damage to 3Hotdogs Yesterday #49
Purge the scumbags. Dave Bowman 23 hrs ago #53
Perfect is the enemy of good. Bobstandard 23 hrs ago #54
This is EXACTLY why I felt he should have been dropped the first time. jmbar2 23 hrs ago #56
This bad publicity impacts on all Democrat candidates. That is why he should go, not the assumption of guilt, but we Doodley 23 hrs ago #59
Winning at any cost warmfeet 23 hrs ago #61
Doesn't seem to matter to Republican pedophiles and their President. live love laugh 19 hrs ago #107
Guess the tent is bigger than I imagined. WinningAgain 22 hrs ago #77
100x WarGamer 21 hrs ago #81
Kick red dog 1 19 hrs ago #106
+1000 applegrove 17 hrs ago #108
I don't think Platner assaulted anyone f64PTjmtR 14 hrs ago #110
This message was self-deleted by its author Stacey Grove 13 hrs ago #111
Why? mcar 9 hrs ago #119
So, you are saying all the evidence, actual evidence is false? obamanut2012 7 hrs ago #124
I'm amazed that when a Democrat leads, things like this come out. AZLD4Candidate 10 hrs ago #114
Why are you amazed that a walking red flag with prior accusations is rapey? obamanut2012 7 hrs ago #125
And fuck the rape apologists. n/t demmiblue 10 hrs ago #115
No kidding. When did we start supporting SA abusers, to get votes. WinningAgain 9 hrs ago #116
I may leave DU over this obamanut2012 7 hrs ago #126
Understandable. niyad 7 hrs ago #127
I can see you're going through it Sympthsical 6 hrs ago #132
Thank you obamanut2012 2 hrs ago #151
I know, I'm so sorry MorbidButterflyTat 4 hrs ago #145
How to say you're a corporate Dem w/o saying you're a corporate Dem MakeThemCry 4 hrs ago #142
Zero credible rape accusations against Clinton -- HEY MIRT obamanut2012 2 hrs ago #152
So I guess we should all agree that Hearn was guilty of tearing up the Reflecting pool. Bengus81 3 hrs ago #147
Wow -- calling two liars is certainly a stance to take, and your minimizing rape is a worse look obamanut2012 2 hrs ago #154
The woman worked for Susan Collins. This makes me worry this might be another Al Franken type situation. With diane in sf 3 hrs ago #148
Wait the latest accuser worked for Collins? BannonsLiver 2 hrs ago #155
"Conservative Democrats" MorbidButterflyTat 2 hrs ago #159
How he thought he could get away with his past in Klarkashton 2 hrs ago #156
White male privilege and arrogance. milestogo 2 hrs ago #157
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