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harumph

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111. Yet, there appear to be many countries that somehow successfully regulate their particular capitalist system

Tue Jul 7, 2026, 11:55 AM

Jul 7

I suspect it's lack of civic involvement and navel gazing on the part of Americans that allows things to slip out of control. Plus we have a significant number of religious people who don't understand it as simply wisdom literature and metaphor. In other words, many Americans believe in magic. You're advocating for a system that restrains the worst impulses - I get that. But any system can be compromised when people expect it to be on auto-pilot (you know, "it should just work&quot . To that end, let me submit that the educational system comes first and the economic system follows. Reading comprehension in the US is terrible and math proficiency is worse. People can't understand non-linear systems. They can't wrap their minds around climate change, partly because they believe "god" wouldn't allow that to happen. I don't think the problem is capitalism FR, it's a critical mass of some of the most privileged brain-washed dumb asses a western society has ever seen.

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How to handle the Democrat equals Communist Bull Shit: [View all] Chasstev365 Jul 6 OP

the proud boys will not be at our doors to discuss graduate school philosophy rampartd Jul 6 #1

lol - grad school philosophy? TBF Jul 6 #23

The response was about likelihood of an academic discussion with Proud Boys and MAGAts Roy Rolling Jul 6 #94

The point was the content, not the reading level. nt TBF Jul 6 #95

But only in groups! enigmania Jul 6 #103

When talking to the immature, one must speak at their level. liberal N proud Jul 6 #104

I thought dems were socialist? Now we are communists? Do they know ,? Srkdqltr Jul 6 #2

i got called a communist pinko pig in high school by my rop instructor. i wear thatt badge proudly!!!!!! AllaN01Bear Jul 6 #40

There isn't a Republican alive who knows the damn difference anymore, if they ever did. They've been pushing this shit Karasu Jul 6 #96

Yes i know. Srkdqltr Jul 6 #99

I have heard MAGAts use them together describing Democrats liberal N proud Jul 6 #105

Exactly! LakeVermilion Jul 6 #3

"I'm becoming a believer in a flat income tax rate for everyone with no deductions." MichMan Jul 6 #12

You'd be surprised what the "investor class" - TBF Jul 6 #24

I'm in. Joinfortmill Jul 6 #34

The rich typically have little "income" as it is defined in the tax code. harumph Jul 6 #15

This is exactly why we need and must implement a wealth tax in place of the income tax... Moostache Jul 6 #35

I could not have elaborated on this better. harumph Jul 6 #41

How would total wealth be calculated? MichMan Jul 6 #65

First off you'd need to define "wealth" - TBF Jul 6 #75

So, we don't want people to associate Democrat with Communist, but reference the writings of Karl Marx ? MichMan Jul 6 #76

Lol - I have never disparaged Marx - that's all you TBF Jul 6 #77

Marx correctly diagnosed a problem - even though the proposed cure was no good. harumph Jul 6 #80

I'd be happy with simply going after financial assets. KPN Jul 6 #97

Excellent summary of where we're at. nt TBF Jul 6 #73

hence "the rich need to pay their fair share in taxes" Skittles Jul 6 #86

A flat tax harms the poorest of us the most Bettie Jul 6 #56

100%. nt TBF Jul 6 #85

I don't think it's anything to get worked up about Kaleva Jul 6 #4

Even fewer know what an oligarch is. MichMan Jul 6 #53

With probably little effect Kaleva Jul 6 #71

If you are explaining why you aren't a communist, you are losing. gab13by13 Jul 6 #5

So let Fox the GOP give you a label and do nothing so it sticks with idiot voters Chasstev365 Jul 6 #9

I'm a Democrat, I support Democrats gab13by13 Jul 6 #79

Calling them idiots and ignoring them hasn't exactly been working for the past 30 years either. meadowlander Jul 6 #93

Personally, I would just LMAO..... lastlib Jul 6 #6

Simple explanation: There are some things we can agree to share the cost of - Ocelot II Jul 6 #7

We currently have all of that under the current status quo MichMan Jul 6 #52

Yes, but the whole point is to avoid calling any of it socialism, Ocelot II Jul 6 #91

I'm not a pedophile! (Logic and discussion are cbabe Jul 6 #8

Easier: "Define communist/communism". No? Bye." niyad Jul 6 #10

Exactly. He who's explaining and defining... is losing. QueerDuck Jul 6 #67

Actually, that was not what I meant at all. When someone uses those niyad Jul 6 #100

Yes. My point was to agree with you... that Democrats (or liberals, or progressives) should... QueerDuck Jul 6 #102

Not afraid of Randall (republicans) anymore Blue Full Moon Jul 6 #11

I say they've only won 3 primaries out of the whole country creeksneakers2 Jul 6 #13

But they are using a handful of candidates who call themselves socialists. SamuelAdams Jul 6 #14

They call themselves Democratic Socialists, not Socialists Wiz Imp Jul 6 #18

lol - they'll just come up with something else to call them TBF Jul 6 #26

The upcoming general election will pit candidates with an "R" behind their name against candidates with a "D"... Escape Jul 6 #16

Don't say New Deal SocialDemocrat61 Jul 6 #17

I always say I like the Nordic model. That usually shuts them up. Joinfortmill Jul 6 #36

Nordic? SocialDemocrat61 Jul 6 #42

Oh, for heaven sakes. Joinfortmill Jul 6 #54

Shouldn't we recognize SocialDemocrat61 Jul 6 #58

I'm talking about the economic sytem... Joinfortmill Jul 6 #64

And the term Nordic SocialDemocrat61 Jul 6 #68

I didn't create the name. It can be used to develop a basis Joinfortmill Jul 6 #69

So why shouldn't we come up with a better SocialDemocrat61 Jul 6 #72

Editorial or a cite? Torchlight Jul 6 #59

Both and neither SocialDemocrat61 Jul 6 #60

Editorial. Torchlight Jul 6 #61

Yes, SocialDemocrat61 Jul 6 #62

Or anyone else under 100 years old. BannonsLiver Jul 6 #82

More importantly, a majority of Americans don't know what the New Deal is. progressoid Jul 7 #106

Very true SocialDemocrat61 Jul 7 #109

It really should not be hard to show people why they should be way more afraid of billionaires and... Ol Janx Spirit Jul 6 #19

Sounds good in theory BUT, Dave Id Jul 6 #20

Agree. When someone refuses to accept basic facts and reality, there spooky3 Jul 6 #31

How about this angle MoseShrute Jul 6 #21

Given current beef, coffee and gas prices Torchlight Jul 6 #22

I don't believe in capitalism Farmer-Rick Jul 6 #25

Exactly capitalism needs poor people in order for that system to exist Alpeduez21 Jul 6 #29

Gee, there are some capitalist countries out there with robust safety nets... harumph Jul 6 #90

Exactly right. Those countries have the "safety nets" but very few folks are falling into them. FadedMullet Jul 6 #101

Here's the problem with capitalism Farmer-Rick Jul 7 #110

Yet, there appear to be many countries that somehow successfully regulate their particular capitalist system harumph Jul 7 #111

Maybe the Dems in charge could get on board with the reality that socialist Dems are what the voters want Alpeduez21 Jul 6 #27

Communism for billionaires keeps the oligarchs afloat bucolic_frolic Jul 6 #28

"In Communism, the government owns businesses (the means of spooky3 Jul 6 #30

A 5th Grader could look up and understand the definition of "communist" William Seger Jul 6 #32

I like it. Short and simple. Even these bums can get it. Joinfortmill Jul 6 #33

Actually just let him ramble Blue Full Moon Jul 6 #37

Stop telling people you are a socialist Boo1 Jul 6 #38

Way Simpler ProfessorGAC Jul 6 #39

Nope. Being affirmative with an unassailable label... reACTIONary Jul 6 #46

Nope - What I Said Is Not A Denial ProfessorGAC Jul 6 #63

What about both? The accusations about communists are stupid lies..... reACTIONary Jul 6 #74

That's Pretty Good ProfessorGAC Jul 6 #78

How defensive. That's a losing approach. David__77 Jul 6 #43

As opposed to what? What would your approach be? reACTIONary Jul 6 #47

Go on the attack on something else. David__77 Jul 6 #83

So, do a "pivot" to avoid .... reACTIONary Jul 6 #87

Yes he wants to play word games instead of talking about material issues David__77 Jul 6 #88

Excellent! Avoid the socialist smear.... reACTIONary Jul 6 #44

No Cirsium Jul 6 #45

Found this on Facebook catbyte Jul 6 #48

Time to call Trump/GOP Nazis DemocracyForever Jul 6 #49

Great advice, totally logical and reasonable. But MAGAts will never accept the Democrats aren't communists because Martin68 Jul 6 #50

Hand them a dictionary? krawhitham Jul 6 #51

We also need to attack: Here are three reasons why we say the Republican Party has been taken over by fascists... Doodley Jul 6 #55

Dem counties produce 70% of US economy. GOP counties contribute just 29%. blm Jul 6 #57

Keep it simple Blumancru Jul 6 #66

You're going to be a "communist" to them no matter what you say ck4829 Jul 6 #70

This. Been that way for like 80 years. Why are people acting like this is news? This is the oldest trick in the book. Karasu Jul 6 #98

Jesus H Christ BannonsLiver Jul 6 #81

also add... mdbl Jul 6 #84

Basically a Democratic Capitalist. hadEnuf Jul 6 #89

Stay clear of Party for Socialism and Liberation. They are the communist party and trying infiltrate the LeftInTX Jul 6 #92

I like it. Timeflyer Jul 7 #107

"Tell me exactly what is so radical about that?" OldBaldy1701E Jul 7 #108