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blue_jay

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Tue Jul 7, 2026, 02:40 PM
7 hrs ago

Last edited Tue Jul 7, 2026, 04:32 PM - Edit history (1)

Warning, this is likely a controversial view.

I finally saw at least part of an interview or two with the victim. In the part of what I heard, she said he was in and out of awareness due to excessive drinking, possibly being black out drunk. Many with PTSD self medicate with drinking and if too much drinking could not recall what they do or did. Black out drinking causes memory loss. I don't know if he had a habit of forcing himself on women, this one was an on and off again girlfriend who he was texting. In one interview she said "by definition" it was rape but it did clearly sound non-consensual but was there malicious intent? To me it reminds me of what happens to people with PTSD or maybe bipolar when they are out of control. It's scary and even worse when drunk. I don't think there are any easy answers for this and most people will never understand what that is like and many will judge (until it happens them) and even then many will jump to uninformed conclusions. People also do things not typical of themselves when deprived of oxygen or when they have dementia, does that mean they are terrible people?

I'm just tired of being manipulated by political spin doctors and playing into the hand of the corporate and complicit dems and deceitful republican opportunists. During his campaign, I've watched many things he has done and comments he's made online taken out of context, like a comment about someone who got a purple heart. When you are in combat or dangerous situations the world you live in is different, and if someone in your group is doing something that will get the rest killed are going to be called out on it and say harsh or stupid things and there are likely many things you want to forget. That is one of the many horrors of these god forsaken wars. I'm not saying whatever happened is okay. I just think it's a much more complicated story and it sounds like he is and has been at least trying to address it and change and heal which is a lot more than I've seen from the predator class in this administration. He does not appear to be an Epstein class predator. He said he came home from the service and was in a "dark place" in 2011 and he has been working on healing ever since, just starting to feel like himself again in 2021.

Clearly society needs to address these non-consensual incidents, whatever the cause (e.g. misogyny, mental illness, etc.) so women don't have to be wary or afraid of men, and so men aren't raised to look at women like toys or objects to be conquered in order to be masculine. That said, I think it's ridiculous for so many women and young girls to walk around in clothes that imply you're available or merely showing off your assets and not realize that might be a bad idea. I imagine the same could be said for men but either way it's like putting a steak in your pocket and not expecting the dog to notice. And don't even get me started on the religious groups pushing women to be mindless, servants, non-voting, non-educated, sex giving child bearers for their husbands (unless you are an Erika Kirk or other mouthpiece for their faux religious regime). That's a whole nother area of insanity and misogyny going on. We have so far to go to become a healthy society it's exhausting. So much trauma and mental health issues needing to be healed from so many causes (fair elections stolen, covid isolation, unnecessary deaths due to insurance or lack of health care or money, etc.). Can we really afford to dump the baby out with the bath water. It will be interesting to see what comes out from Platner himself. If my guess is right then I wonder, is there room in the democratic party, or any party, to forgive, seems like many worse crimes are permitted with repubs. I would be in favor of forgiveness when merited, if my hypothesis was correct, and advocating for more research on mental health and sexual trauma and healthy relationships between genders and couples as we are clearly on a path to destruction with the current social media environment.

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Nonsense bucolic_frolic Yesterday #1
* Only if they're Republicans. BannonsLiver Yesterday #7
You got me bucolic_frolic Yesterday #45
Hopefully, providing that there is some verifiable evidence... -misanthroptimist Yesterday #2
Oh puh-leeze... milestogo Yesterday #3
Quantity isn't quality -misanthroptimist Yesterday #4
And if this were happening to men instead of women we wouldn't even be having this discussion. milestogo Yesterday #5
You're saying no evidence is required from women making this claim? live love laugh Yesterday #12
I neither trust nor believe men or women based on their gender -misanthroptimist Yesterday #19
Throughout history men have been easily believed milestogo 6 hrs ago #153
Well, you let me know if that happens here, will you? -misanthroptimist 5 hrs ago #158
It happens here on DU every day. milestogo 5 hrs ago #163
Then why put up with it? -misanthroptimist 4 hrs ago #165
I make liberal use of the 'ignore' tool. milestogo 4 hrs ago #166
I wonder if I can copyright my DNA? lol -misanthroptimist 1 hr ago #172
No one said anything about witnesses or cameras -misanthroptimist Yesterday #23
To prove something in a court of law you need evidence. milestogo Yesterday #26
I agree it can be difficult to prove -misanthroptimist Yesterday #31
And FYI- attempted rapes are usually not prosecuted. milestogo Yesterday #51
I know. -misanthroptimist Yesterday #60
My daughter went to the hospital Lifeafter70 Yesterday #82
I'm so sorry for what your daughter went through mcar Yesterday #85
The authorities were upset with her because she couldn't do it. Lifeafter70 Yesterday #88
First, my heart goes out to your daughter -misanthroptimist Yesterday #86
This happened at work Lifeafter70 Yesterday #90
actually they are North Coast Lawyer 6 hrs ago #149
For every 1000 sexual assaults milestogo 5 hrs ago #161
Believe no one. North Coast Lawyer 6 hrs ago #150
Did she go to a hospital and claim rape and there are the results of the rape kit as evidence? CozyMystery 4 hrs ago #164
There is evidence. SamuelAdams Yesterday #10
Do you a link for that or a source article on those emails, I can't find one. Thanks. nt blue_jay Yesterday #15
The politico article that started today's avalanche of calls to resign Ms. Toad 19 hrs ago #109
Thanks blue_jay 7 hrs ago #143
You're talking about a specific case -misanthroptimist Yesterday #18
Yes wern't most of the first batch of accusations, IbogaProject Yesterday #25
No idea -misanthroptimist Yesterday #28
No obamanut2012 Yesterday #30
No. Try again mcar Yesterday #80
Wow. MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #37
You can let go of the pearls -misanthroptimist Yesterday #38
Oh, really? MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #94
What things seem to you is of no consequence to anyone but you -misanthroptimist Yesterday #96
She could be cashing a nice, Republican check. Ever thought about that? paleotn Yesterday #43
Prove it. MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #92
We could say the same of the accusations, prove it questionseverything 5 hrs ago #160
That's all the rape apologists have been saying MorbidButterflyTat 3 hrs ago #170
He has not been convicted but there is sufficient evidence and doubt about his story that Wonder Why Yesterday #100
The matter at hand is not convicting a man whopis01 8 hrs ago #136
It's a fair and reasonable POV -misanthroptimist 8 hrs ago #137
The system and timing left them out, not me. whopis01 8 hrs ago #138
That happens -misanthroptimist 7 hrs ago #139
I'll make a prediction about this whopis01 1 hr ago #173
Yeah, I remember when [Redacted]'s... -misanthroptimist 48 min ago #178
You are missing a glaringly obvious fact whopis01 36 min ago #179
You are missing an even more obvious and glaring fact -misanthroptimist 22 min ago #180
You'd stay in the race with no money, no staff, no campaign volunteers, no endorsements, no support Quiet Em 16 min ago #181
Yes, I would -misanthroptimist 8 min ago #182
I strongly suggest that you acquaint yourself with the actual statistics niyad Yesterday #57
You should indeed be shaking your head -misanthroptimist Yesterday #62
Yet, by your statements, every woman who makes a report is niyad Yesterday #65
Nonsense -misanthroptimist Yesterday #70
You have made yourself perfectly clear. niyad Yesterday #71
Good -misanthroptimist Yesterday #73
As I said, perfectly clear. niyad Yesterday #74
And you got in the last word -misanthroptimist Yesterday #75
I truly hope that there are no women iin your life who would hope for niyad 10 hrs ago #128
So dramatic! -misanthroptimist 7 hrs ago #146
Dramatic? wow, sounds like I touched a nerve there. niyad 5 hrs ago #162
Well, you changed the topic from Platner to me -misanthroptimist 4 hrs ago #167
They sure have. SMDH mcar Yesterday #83
Crystal. MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #95
The woman's testimony is evidence iemanja 10 hrs ago #133
She has messages to a woman mentioning it from dsc Yesterday #66
Glad you asked -misanthroptimist Yesterday #68
We, and they, have had this woman's name for a month dsc Yesterday #69
Great. -misanthroptimist Yesterday #72
I hear, but there are often no witnesses, believe me, I know. Joinfortmill 15 hrs ago #112
That's what makes it difficult -misanthroptimist 14 hrs ago #113
Mike Tyson's rape case also had no hard evidence Polybius 12 hrs ago #117
Obviously, there was MorbidButterflyTat 7 hrs ago #140
Conviction doesn't always mean proof Polybius 58 min ago #175
What?? MorbidButterflyTat 53 min ago #176
That's not what I said Polybius 52 min ago #177
You tell me. Exactly how many? -misanthroptimist Yesterday #39
I think it depends on the man. milestogo Yesterday #46
And therein lies a problem -misanthroptimist Yesterday #64
"the same accusation made by multiple people" milestogo Yesterday #79
Too Much Deference to Platner Starbeach Yesterday #50
He is apparently receiving around 4k/month VA disability. But, as I niyad Yesterday #87
You mean people associated with republicans ? Or just any old body? BComplex 11 hrs ago #121
What's that supposed to prove? MorbidButterflyTat 7 hrs ago #141
Politico (who broke the story) said that they reviewed documents. lapucelle Yesterday #29
Her account of the episode. lapucelle Yesterday #35
But some here need way more details mcar Yesterday #84
I hear you. MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #103
Thanks mcar Yesterday #104
I'm sorry, I find the whole story a bit unbelievable. infullview 11 hrs ago #120
"this woman could be mentally ill" milestogo 11 hrs ago #122
It happens. I had a woman stalker. infullview 10 hrs ago #123
And did she publicly accuse you of rape? milestogo 10 hrs ago #130
No, Fortunately, but it was scary. infullview 10 hrs ago #131
It was scary??? MorbidButterflyTat 7 hrs ago #144
Pretty amazing default response. lapucelle 10 hrs ago #129
The operative word there was "allegedly" infullview 8 hrs ago #134
Nah, the operative words are "snuck into her house and assaulted her". lapucelle 8 hrs ago #135
Careful there. That might cause potential Republican propaganda not to work. paleotn Yesterday #42
MAGA feel the same exact way about their pervert in chief. Raftergirl Yesterday #89
Words in frustration. My original post. paleotn Yesterday #91
Nope. I may not always love a candidate, but I would never vote for a rapist. That is not something one Raftergirl Yesterday #97
I agree, that is beyond the pale. paleotn Yesterday #102
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Raftergirl Yesterday #105
Apparently there are emails between her and her therapist synni Yesterday #63
"If this can be believed" -misanthroptimist Yesterday #67
This guy MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #98
Agreed on all counts. :) -misanthroptimist Yesterday #99
I'm so sick of it PatSeg Yesterday #6
Apparently. milestogo Yesterday #8
Yes and that is why campaigns usually PatSeg Yesterday #13
Maybe he didn't think anything he did was wrong MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #14
I was working for a candidate and a story came out milestogo Yesterday #20
Yes and that's actually worse PatSeg Yesterday #55
or run as a repuke Skittles Yesterday #33
Men who do this believe that most men do this, and Maru Kitteh Yesterday #40
Probably true PatSeg Yesterday #58
The gentleman had some questionable behavior in the past Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #21
he's a straight white man Skittles Yesterday #34
I'm seeing some posts implying if republicans vote for scum Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #41
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Yesterday #9
The stuff is hitting the fan. Jacson6 Yesterday #11
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Raftergirl Yesterday #16
THANK YOU Skittles Yesterday #17
Or they can switch to the GOP and get elected to the highest offices, i.e. president, SCOTUS. Katinfl Yesterday #22
yup Skittles Yesterday #36
This can cure the problem. twodogsbarking Yesterday #24
Thank You! Innocent Smith Yesterday #27
+1000! mcar Yesterday #32
Susan Collins sends her thanks! She doesn't know what she'd do without Dems doing her work for her. paleotn Yesterday #44
Aww, bless your heart mcar Yesterday #93
First off, he's not my guy. paleotn Yesterday #101
On the slightest pretext? Credible accusation of rape, mcar 12 hrs ago #118
People always forget to add "...and worked for Blackwater in Afghanistan"....after he got out of the military EX500rider 4 hrs ago #168
The list is that long. Why was it all ignored? mcar 3 hrs ago #169
It's sickening. MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #52
x 1000 RockCreek Yesterday #78
Apparently "Believe all women" was just a soundbite MichMan Yesterday #76
The Maine Democratic Party calls on Graham Planter to drop out of the Senate race. LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #47
My aunt was nearly murdered by her wacko husband Just_Vote_Dem Yesterday #48
So another 6 years of Collins? The Supreme Court appointments she supported did more damage to 3Hotdogs Yesterday #49
Yep, 6 more years of Collins, 6 more years of repub majorities questionseverything 3 hrs ago #171
Purge the scumbags. Dave Bowman Yesterday #53
Perfect is the enemy of good. Bobstandard Yesterday #54
This is EXACTLY why I felt he should have been dropped the first time. jmbar2 Yesterday #56
This bad publicity impacts on all Democrat candidates. That is why he should go, not the assumption of guilt, but we Doodley Yesterday #59
Winning at any cost warmfeet Yesterday #61
Doesn't seem to matter to Republican pedophiles and their President. live love laugh 22 hrs ago #107
Guess the tent is bigger than I imagined. WinningAgain Yesterday #77
100x WarGamer Yesterday #81
Kick red dog 1 22 hrs ago #106
+1000 applegrove 21 hrs ago #108
I don't think Platner assaulted anyone f64PTjmtR 17 hrs ago #110
This message was self-deleted by its author Stacey Grove 16 hrs ago #111
Why? mcar 12 hrs ago #119
So, you are saying all the evidence, actual evidence is false? obamanut2012 10 hrs ago #124
I'm amazed that when a Democrat leads, things like this come out. AZLD4Candidate 14 hrs ago #114
Why are you amazed that a walking red flag with prior accusations is rapey? obamanut2012 10 hrs ago #125
And fuck the rape apologists. n/t demmiblue 13 hrs ago #115
No kidding. When did we start supporting SA abusers, to get votes. WinningAgain 13 hrs ago #116
I may leave DU over this obamanut2012 10 hrs ago #126
Understandable. niyad 10 hrs ago #127
I can see you're going through it Sympthsical 10 hrs ago #132
Thank you obamanut2012 6 hrs ago #151
I know, I'm so sorry MorbidButterflyTat 7 hrs ago #145
How to say you're a corporate Dem w/o saying you're a corporate Dem MakeThemCry 7 hrs ago #142
Zero credible rape accusations against Clinton -- HEY MIRT obamanut2012 6 hrs ago #152
So I guess we should all agree that Hearn was guilty of tearing up the Reflecting pool. Bengus81 6 hrs ago #147
Wow -- calling two liars is certainly a stance to take, and your minimizing rape is a worse look obamanut2012 6 hrs ago #154
The woman worked for Susan Collins. This makes me worry this might be another Al Franken type situation. With diane in sf 6 hrs ago #148
Wait the latest accuser worked for Collins? BannonsLiver 6 hrs ago #155
No. LisaL 59 min ago #174
"Conservative Democrats" MorbidButterflyTat 5 hrs ago #159
How he thought he could get away with his past in Klarkashton 5 hrs ago #156
White male privilege and arrogance. milestogo 5 hrs ago #157
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