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(12,233 posts)Stories and news will come out against Dems. Many Dems do incredibly stupid, dangerous, or unlawful things, but "support them"... Were we supposed to say nice things about Zell Miller or Lieberman when they went to the RNC conventions? They were "Dems". Should we call out a Dem for pushing pay day loans. Debbie pulled her support after receiving massive attention to the issue from progressives, Warren, and her opponent.
BTW, FL primary for the state level is actually August. I can't say who I like more? Can't debate issues? I know you are trying to protect the most vitriolic posts about Clinton. We know where and who this site has supported since she announced. So, I understand, your site, don't bitch about the "presidential nominee". But not to discuss any Dems doing stupid fucking shit or the WRONG shit!!! Is just absolutely NOT the way you promote progressive agenda. And if you don't push Clinton and hold her feet to the fire in regards to progressive agendas, guess what, you won't get them.
And I guess since I was born the year Reagan was elected, raised in VT, literally watched my chance at an environmental science career wash up with funding being withheld from the Gore election and Bush literally taking away funding the very year I graduated, yeah, I've seen the worst that this country has had to offer for politicians.
I did go and see her speak one time. It was when she and many other women were campaigning for Obama. She sounded better "unscripted" and with Obama's message. She was a lot smaller than I had imagined. And sounded better live than on TV. But the other speakers were amazingly better. She was hustled in late, hustled back out quickly. And it was a wall block. She has. I access to the American people that would question what her goals are? What is her "big dream"? We are stuck in obstruction of Obama years. He's been barely steering the ship off the rocky shoals for 8yrs. America does better with goals, lofty, soaring, and inclusive. The woman thing means nothing to me; ive got the body parts too, and believe me ain't nothing more special about her lady bits than mine. I want ideas! I want a nation that isn't holding people back. I don't want to think, shit, I should move to Europe or even Canada to give my kid a better life. Ours is full of debt and excludes so many. We are dead last in so many measure is quality life in regards to the rest of the industrial world, that it hurts to be "American" and not be in that upper 10%. And I really don't think she knows how people feel or she does and she doesn't care (which is worse). I assume she's been in the bubble too long and been managed too many times, that she doesn't have a real clue. Look at the media bubble in DC and NY, clueless for the major part because they are in their bubble as well. (They seemed shocked that Clinton lied to them about the e-mail situation).
Anyway, I've never thought too much about complaining about Dems being idiots, dissapoimtments, or bought out lock stock and barrel... Supporting politicians isn't how progress is often fought for. So, I can shut up about her, but I think Debbie should lose her primary. Oh, btw, Debbie wouldn't survive ToS, she has many times supported republicans over Dems in FL... So, what's up with that? I like the crazy Grayson for Senate over the "establishment" pick. I hope he can win both the primary and the general. Harry Reid has no business telling us who to pick or try to slight the hand of this state. He's leaving anyway. He would have lost his own state if he hadn't had a crazy tea party candidate to run against. Fl is hard enough to overcome the voting suppression and Republicans controlling the machines... (Yeah funny, go from one of the more progressive states to FL to live - most regressive).
I guess, for many of us, the primary season isn't even "started". It is a bit, but the ads won't even start until July. And it's based on a numbers game because barely anyone votes in those. Hoping people that Bernie brought along will pay attention. That they will go and vote or the lower races. That's how we get our eventual elites. We need the good ones at the ground level to make their way up.