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39. Worst case scenario ...

Reply to LudwigPastorius (Original post)

Wed Jan 8, 2025, 02:38 AM

Jan 8

The part of me that always looks at worst case scenarios sees Trump starting a real shooting war, especially with a near neighbor, as a way for him to –

• Secure his power – never change horses mid-stream
• Allow him to declare an emergency to expand his powers.
• Use war powers to suspend habeas corpus
• Start a new state of forever wars that allow him to cancel the elections in 2026 and/or 2028 (not legal but who cares by then)
• Drop out of NATO and other bothersome alliances and gang up with Russia and China in the invade your neighbor club.

There would be lots of opposition to these acts, but we might not be able to stop them and once he has those powers we would be out of constitutional/judicial remedies.

A bleak picture.

I hope it does not happen.

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Trump won't rule out use of military force to take control of Greenland and the Panama Canal [View all] LudwigPastorius Jan 7 OP

And won't it be fun.... Mustellus Jan 7 #1

Yeah even with NATO behind Denmark they don't have the reach to beat the US off our shores EX500rider Jan 7 #25

Couldn't they stage through Canada? SomewhereInTheMiddle Jan 8 #38

They don't have the sealift capacity... EX500rider Jan 8 #43

Something about "illegal orders" orangecrush Jan 8 #49

I wasn't commenting on the legality of such a war, just the likelihood of European NATO winning EX500rider Jan 8 #52

NATO will not go up against the US. Irish_Dem Jan 7 #27

They would get annihilated Polybius Jan 9 #57

Canada and Greenland should preemptively attack C_U_L8R Jan 7 #2

I hope Canada takes the entire west coast. travelingthrulife Jan 8 #44

"That's how to do it, my soul-sick G.O.P. comrade." - Pooty (R- Despot) BoRaGard Jan 7 #3

Fucking troll. This is to distract us from the report. Scrivener7 Jan 7 #4

Exactly. Nothing but a distraction. Ray Bruns Jan 7 #8

I hope so Lulu KC Jan 7 #14

Is he really mentally aware enough to strategize like that? LudwigPastorius Jan 7 #12

No.... he knows he can't do that so the creepy toddler cries and whines all the more. Rinse and repeat PortTack Jan 7 #24

No he is not capable of these ideas, someone is spoon feeding him. Irish_Dem Jan 7 #28

This has always been his MO. For the last 40 years. Scrivener7 Jan 7 #32

Well, this will give the Americans who are going back for a Reunion on the 25th something to talk about. Baitball Blogger Jan 7 #5

And he says all Liz Cheney wants to do is kill people? claudette Jan 7 #6

Just like Poland threatening Nazi Germany in 1939 ... Tarzanrock Jan 7 #7

Hey, magats, there goes your felon's other promise of Justice matters. Jan 7 #9

I swear, if dump & his entourage... NEOH Jan 7 #10

How exactly is this different from Putin attacking Ukraine? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 7 #11

How better to drag our name through the mud? mahina Jan 7 #19

It isn't and just like russia it would be violating international law. He's stupid PortTack Jan 7 #23

That is indeed the question. orangecrush Jan 8 #50

Loser Pas-de-Calais Jan 7 #13

Distraction from Fridays sentencing Ferryboat Jan 7 #15

Nice to know there's a war criminal running the country after Jan 20. mdbl Jan 7 #16

He ain't gonna do shit JoseBalow Jan 7 #17

Ding ding ding! PortTack Jan 7 #22

98 percent of the time you'd be right Blue_Tires Jan 7 #36

The people he is installing to cabinet roles are willing to do it though. travelingthrulife Jan 8 #45

Wouldn't that trigger Article 5 angrychair Jan 7 #18

I expect Trump to push hard to leave NATO this term. LudwigPastorius Jan 7 #20

It now takes 2/3 of the house and senate to withdraw from NATO....orange turd cannot do it on his own PortTack Jan 7 #21

Threatening Denmark and Panama with the most powerful military in the world. Irish_Dem Jan 7 #26

That's what bullies do... Blue_Tires Jan 7 #35

is he expecting Meal Team 6 to step up and make this happen? 4catsmom Jan 7 #29

As crazy it sounds if he invades Greenland or Panama or Mexico maybe Canada doc03 Jan 7 #30

That's what scares me the most Blue_Tires Jan 7 #34

Until the draft starts Blue_Roses Jan 8 #40

The draft is in project 2025. nt doc03 Jan 8 #42

Well, there ya go. Blue_Roses Jan 8 #47

I believe if the draft started again, even many of his supporters would get their heads out of their asses. raccoon Jan 9 #60

What a stupid time to be alive LivingInASociety Jan 7 #31

Are you not entertained, America?? Blue_Tires Jan 7 #33

Hi LudwigPastorius C0RI0LANUS Jan 8 #37

I agree, CORIOLANUS, that FOX Spews can be an indicator of Trump's agenda, and so far, I don't see... LudwigPastorius Jan 9 #58

Hi LudwigPastorius-- that's good news for now. Let's monitor the Kool-Aid makers and their talking points. C0RI0LANUS Jan 9 #59

Worst case scenario ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Jan 8 #39

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He is everything ugly about America's past, present, and future Attilatheblond Jan 8 #46

Spoiled baby brat who wants everything, mine mine mine 😡😡😡 TommieMommy Jan 8 #48

It works for me.... FarPoint Jan 8 #51

How about those eggs? tulipsandroses Jan 8 #53

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Generals will not follow illegal orders bob4460 Jan 8 #55

I would hope not, but... LudwigPastorius Jan 8 #56