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BumRushDaShow

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Thu Jan 23, 2025, 03:59 PM Thursday

"Excluding Indians": Trump admin questions Native Americans' birthright citizenship in court [View all]

Source: Salon

Published January 23, 2025 11:43AM (EST)


In the Trump administration’s arguments defending his order to suspend birthright citizenship, the Justice Department called into question the citizenship of Native Americans born in the United States, citing a 19th-century law that excluded Native Americans from birthright citizenship.

In a case on Trump's birthright citizenship executive order coming out of Washington, Justice Department attorneys quote the 14th Amendment, which reads that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,” and hang their one of their arguments on the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

“Under the plain terms of the Clause, birth in the United States does not by itself entitle a person to citizenship. The person must also be ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United States,” the filing reads. The Justice Department then goes on to cite the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which predates the 14th Amendment by two years. The Justice Department attorneys specifically cite a section of the act that notes that “all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.”

The Trump administration then goes on to argue that the 14th Amendment’s language — the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” — is best understood “to exclude the same individuals who were excluded by the Act —i.e., those who are ‘subject to any foreign power’ and ‘Indians not taxed.’”

Read more: https://www.salon.com/2025/01/23/excluding-indians-admin-questions-native-americans-birthright-citizenship-in/?in_brief=true

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This has to end... Lovie777 Thursday #1
The shithole administration the comrades... Lovie777 Thursday #3
Yes, it's actually worse than I originally feared. NotHardly Thursday #6
It didn't need to start.. tirebiter Thursday #12
Not even three days in office and Trump has already created more chaos than he did his entire first term. sop Thursday #29
He wants to bdamomma Thursday #33
There's the old adage about "Don't blame the puppet." LastDemocratInSC Thursday #43
But puppets aren't willing and have no agency.... Trueblue Texan Thursday #71
Yes, it's absolutely ridiculous. Native Americans, the indigenous people here should sit in judgement... brush Thursday #56
So their argument is "they changed the wording, so it must mean the same as the old wording" muriel_volestrangler Thursday #2
I can't get the "jurisdiction" thing underpants Thursday #28
Well, this is why the change in wording means something muriel_volestrangler Thursday #31
Thanks that's what I thought. underpants Thursday #46
They're going back to the 1866 Civil Rights Act and the groundwork of the 14th Amendment, which excluded Native American LeftInTX Thursday #49
👍 underpants Thursday #50
I hope it makes sense. They're trying to argue that people born to non-citizens are non-citizens. LeftInTX Thursday #52
I don't understand the argument. TomSlick Thursday #75
The heritage foundation lawyer was trying to make an argument why he thinks non-citizens LeftInTX Friday #78
On June 2, 1924, Congress enacted the Indian Citizenship Act, which granted citizenship to all Native Americans born in LetMyPeopleVote Friday #95
" I was trying to wrap my head around their thinking" Ray Bruns Friday #89
Yep. underpants Friday #90
Seems to me that if undocumented immigrants aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States... AZSkiffyGeek Friday #97
I'm remembering that. underpants Friday #98
Where do they think they will deport them Bettie Thursday #4
He'll put border checkpoints around all the reservations VMA131Marine Thursday #15
The Native Americans may bdamomma Thursday #34
I would not stop them also-the white man took their land and have the nerve to treat them Stargazer99 Thursday #69
genius! LymphocyteLover Thursday #36
He will make them walk back across the Bering Strait. Irish_Dem Thursday #30
That is what was intended. Evolve Dammit Thursday #72
My mind is running through all the scenes of the most violent "Indian" attacks on racist white characters hlthe2b Thursday #5
JFC! (apologies) ANOTHER Reason You -Drumphf- are BEYOND Disgusting! electric_blue68 Thursday #7
Ooh boy, I think I see where this is going GusBob Thursday #8
25% of our county is native by population GusBob Thursday #9
Wasn't there a report deRien Thursday #10
It was a bad poll. Skewed for clickbait... don't believe it. nt. druidity33 Thursday #26
very hard to believe-- they traditionally are very Dem LymphocyteLover Thursday #37
According to the Brookings Institute Natives went for Harris mtngirl47 Thursday #51
Thanks deRien Thursday #55
Ok cool qazplm135 Thursday #11
Tell me again on how Trump won the Native.... Botany Thursday #13
Trump is still mad about all the Native American casinos VMA131Marine Thursday #14
That sounds right Evolve Dammit Thursday #18
I remember seeing a video of that. underpants Thursday #20
He was, is and always will be an obnoxious asshole. mountain grammy Thursday #68
Makes me wonder what that spray tan POS will do with the NFL Bengus81 Thursday #58
Because they didn't screw the pooch the way he did with his casinos. eppur_se_muova Thursday #76
Tell me again on how Trump won the Native Botany Thursday #16
Did he? Not in my state and we went for Trump by a very small margin. 33taw Thursday #17
He didn't JI7 Thursday #19
I don't necessarily buy that reporting since it was moniss Thursday #22
He didn't. There was a bad exit poll. Ocelot II Thursday #27
White supremacists much??? people Thursday #21
Native Americans born on reservations were not LeftInTX Thursday #23
Still calling native peoples "Indians." And "who wants to pay 40,000 to bury a Mexican"? He is a domestic terrorist. Evolve Dammit Thursday #24
Shit hole country with a piece of shit leader. Solly Mack Thursday #25
He's doing all for bdamomma Thursday #35
I'm sick over all the people he is harming, and all the people he will harm as time goes by. Solly Mack Thursday #39
You know Solly bdamomma Thursday #40
I hope people stand up for the good. Solly Mack Thursday #41
Insane. What is his point. Native Americans are NATIVE. Here before any other race. Fla Dem Thursday #32
Under Trump, Native Americans aren't Americans. No wonder he's an Andrew Jackson fan. surfered Thursday #38
WTAF? BobsYourUncle Thursday #42
Pretty sure Native Americans already know they aren't "citizens" and never have been. malthaussen Thursday #44
Native Americans have been citizens since 1924, under a law signed by Calvin Coolidge: Liberty Belle Friday #77
You didn't read my post, did you? malthaussen Friday #92
I suppose we should deport them back to Siberia, then? n/t malthaussen Thursday #45
So, Trump is declaring that Native Americans are NOT US citizens?? Is this what he is saying? riversedge Thursday #47
They just hate everybody. n/t PatrickforB Thursday #48
Native Treaty Act of 1924 Squeaky41 Thursday #53
Yes! This was likely someone trying to justify that children born to non citizens were not granted citizenship by the LeftInTX Thursday #67
I am not a lawyer probably very far from It thinkingagain Thursday #54
Remember though....don't use the "H" word when it comes to Trump Bengus81 Thursday #57
including native Hawaiians i hope YoshidaYui Thursday #59
Are all natural born children American citizens? No... there is one exception. Children of diplomats. Norrrm Thursday #60
Maybe Rump is trying to get in Kristi Noem's pants. As far as I know, the puppy killer is still banned from seven out of LaMouffette Thursday #61
When they're here in the US they are not subject to a foreign power unless they are working here for said foreign power. cstanleytech Thursday #62
It's madness. Four more years of madness? NameAlreadyTaken Thursday #63
This is just not going to fly. efhmc Thursday #64
Ok. Deport Markwayne Mullin dalton99a Thursday #65
It's clear that he is going to come after indigenous people moniss Thursday #66
Trump wants to deport Senator Warren. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #70
Excluding Indians is not excluding Native Americans Sparky 1 Thursday #73
This case is about Native Americans iemanja Friday #80
I know that, thanks. Just pointing out that the person calling them Indians is an ignoramus. Sparky 1 Friday #85
Actually iemanja Friday #86
Many Natives call themselves "Indians" obamanut2012 Friday #93
Deflection DallasNE Thursday #74
I thought I'd lost the capacity to be shocked iemanja Friday #79
He's citing old laws against Native Americans to justify Trump's EO against non-citizens. LeftInTX Friday #82
"The Salon article fails to mention that Native Americans were granted full citizenship in 1924 BumRushDaShow Friday #87
Yes, I think Salon's headline could have been less dramatic. LeftInTX Friday #91
Trail time? moondust Friday #81
Alright, if they are going to get literal: DFW Friday #83
Four years of chaos and cruelty perdita9 Friday #84
No, no, no. Fuck this shit. Paladin Friday #88
Neal Katyal is not impressed with this silly argument LetMyPeopleVote Friday #94
The legal justification for TFG's Birthright Citizenship Executive Order is sad and wrong LetMyPeopleVote Friday #96
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