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31. Well, this is why the change in wording means something

Thu Jan 23, 2025, 05:44 PM

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The 1866 act does seem to have meant "Native Americans aren't citizens, and neither are those 'subject to another power'" so they might say under that dual citizen parents didn't count, but since, for the constitutional amendment, they changed it to "subject to US law", it meant everyone in the USA (including those with no right to be there).

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"Excluding Indians": Trump admin questions Native Americans' birthright citizenship in court [View all] BumRushDaShow Jan 23 OP

This has to end... Lovie777 Jan 23 #1

The shithole administration the comrades... Lovie777 Jan 23 #3

Yes, it's actually worse than I originally feared. NotHardly Jan 23 #6

It didn't need to start.. tirebiter Jan 23 #12

Not even three days in office and Trump has already created more chaos than he did his entire first term. sop Jan 23 #29

He wants to bdamomma Jan 23 #33

There's the old adage about "Don't blame the puppet." LastDemocratInSC Jan 23 #43

But puppets aren't willing and have no agency.... Trueblue Texan Jan 23 #71

Yes, it's absolutely ridiculous. Native Americans, the indigenous people here should sit in judgement... brush Jan 23 #56

So their argument is "they changed the wording, so it must mean the same as the old wording" muriel_volestrangler Jan 23 #2

I can't get the "jurisdiction" thing underpants Jan 23 #28

Well, this is why the change in wording means something muriel_volestrangler Jan 23 #31

Thanks that's what I thought. underpants Jan 23 #46

They're going back to the 1866 Civil Rights Act and the groundwork of the 14th Amendment, which excluded Native American LeftInTX Jan 23 #49

👍 underpants Jan 23 #50

I hope it makes sense. They're trying to argue that people born to non-citizens are non-citizens. LeftInTX Jan 23 #52

I don't understand the argument. TomSlick Jan 23 #75

The heritage foundation lawyer was trying to make an argument why he thinks non-citizens LeftInTX Jan 24 #78

On June 2, 1924, Congress enacted the Indian Citizenship Act, which granted citizenship to all Native Americans born in LetMyPeopleVote Jan 24 #95

" I was trying to wrap my head around their thinking" Ray Bruns Jan 24 #89

Yep. underpants Jan 24 #90

Seems to me that if undocumented immigrants aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States... AZSkiffyGeek Jan 24 #97

I'm remembering that. underpants Jan 24 #98

Where do they think they will deport them Bettie Jan 23 #4

He'll put border checkpoints around all the reservations VMA131Marine Jan 23 #15

The Native Americans may bdamomma Jan 23 #34

I would not stop them also-the white man took their land and have the nerve to treat them Stargazer99 Jan 23 #69

genius! LymphocyteLover Jan 23 #36

He will make them walk back across the Bering Strait. Irish_Dem Jan 23 #30

That is what was intended. Evolve Dammit Jan 23 #72

My mind is running through all the scenes of the most violent "Indian" attacks on racist white characters hlthe2b Jan 23 #5

JFC! (apologies) ANOTHER Reason You -Drumphf- are BEYOND Disgusting! electric_blue68 Jan 23 #7

Ooh boy, I think I see where this is going GusBob Jan 23 #8

25% of our county is native by population GusBob Jan 23 #9

Wasn't there a report deRien Jan 23 #10

It was a bad poll. Skewed for clickbait... don't believe it. nt. druidity33 Jan 23 #26

very hard to believe-- they traditionally are very Dem LymphocyteLover Jan 23 #37

According to the Brookings Institute Natives went for Harris mtngirl47 Jan 23 #51

Thanks deRien Jan 23 #55

Ok cool qazplm135 Jan 23 #11

Tell me again on how Trump won the Native.... Botany Jan 23 #13

Trump is still mad about all the Native American casinos VMA131Marine Jan 23 #14

That sounds right Evolve Dammit Jan 23 #18

I remember seeing a video of that. underpants Jan 23 #20

He was, is and always will be an obnoxious asshole. mountain grammy Jan 23 #68

Makes me wonder what that spray tan POS will do with the NFL Bengus81 Jan 23 #58

Because they didn't screw the pooch the way he did with his casinos. eppur_se_muova Jan 23 #76

Tell me again on how Trump won the Native Botany Jan 23 #16

Did he? Not in my state and we went for Trump by a very small margin. 33taw Jan 23 #17

He didn't JI7 Jan 23 #19

I don't necessarily buy that reporting since it was moniss Jan 23 #22

He didn't. There was a bad exit poll. Ocelot II Jan 23 #27

White supremacists much??? people Jan 23 #21

Native Americans born on reservations were not LeftInTX Jan 23 #23

Still calling native peoples "Indians." And "who wants to pay 40,000 to bury a Mexican"? He is a domestic terrorist. Evolve Dammit Jan 23 #24

Shit hole country with a piece of shit leader. Solly Mack Jan 23 #25

He's doing all for bdamomma Jan 23 #35

I'm sick over all the people he is harming, and all the people he will harm as time goes by. Solly Mack Jan 23 #39

You know Solly bdamomma Jan 23 #40

I hope people stand up for the good. Solly Mack Jan 23 #41

Insane. What is his point. Native Americans are NATIVE. Here before any other race. Fla Dem Jan 23 #32

Under Trump, Native Americans aren't Americans. No wonder he's an Andrew Jackson fan. surfered Jan 23 #38

WTAF? BobsYourUncle Jan 23 #42

Pretty sure Native Americans already know they aren't "citizens" and never have been. malthaussen Jan 23 #44

Native Americans have been citizens since 1924, under a law signed by Calvin Coolidge: Liberty Belle Jan 24 #77

You didn't read my post, did you? malthaussen Jan 24 #92

I suppose we should deport them back to Siberia, then? n/t malthaussen Jan 23 #45

So, Trump is declaring that Native Americans are NOT US citizens?? Is this what he is saying? riversedge Jan 23 #47

They just hate everybody. n/t PatrickforB Jan 23 #48

Native Treaty Act of 1924 Squeaky41 Jan 23 #53

Yes! This was likely someone trying to justify that children born to non citizens were not granted citizenship by the LeftInTX Jan 23 #67

I am not a lawyer probably very far from It thinkingagain Jan 23 #54

Remember though....don't use the "H" word when it comes to Trump Bengus81 Jan 23 #57

including native Hawaiians i hope YoshidaYui Jan 23 #59

Are all natural born children American citizens? No... there is one exception. Children of diplomats. Norrrm Jan 23 #60

Maybe Rump is trying to get in Kristi Noem's pants. As far as I know, the puppy killer is still banned from seven out of LaMouffette Jan 23 #61

When they're here in the US they are not subject to a foreign power unless they are working here for said foreign power. cstanleytech Jan 23 #62

It's madness. Four more years of madness? NameAlreadyTaken Jan 23 #63

This is just not going to fly. efhmc Jan 23 #64

Ok. Deport Markwayne Mullin dalton99a Jan 23 #65

It's clear that he is going to come after indigenous people moniss Jan 23 #66

Trump wants to deport Senator Warren. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 23 #70

Excluding Indians is not excluding Native Americans Sparky 1 Jan 23 #73

This case is about Native Americans iemanja Jan 24 #80

I know that, thanks. Just pointing out that the person calling them Indians is an ignoramus. Sparky 1 Jan 24 #85

Actually iemanja Jan 24 #86

Many Natives call themselves "Indians" obamanut2012 Jan 24 #93

Deflection DallasNE Jan 23 #74

I thought I'd lost the capacity to be shocked iemanja Jan 24 #79

He's citing old laws against Native Americans to justify Trump's EO against non-citizens. LeftInTX Jan 24 #82

"The Salon article fails to mention that Native Americans were granted full citizenship in 1924 BumRushDaShow Jan 24 #87

Yes, I think Salon's headline could have been less dramatic. LeftInTX Jan 24 #91

Trail time? moondust Jan 24 #81

Alright, if they are going to get literal: DFW Jan 24 #83

Four years of chaos and cruelty perdita9 Jan 24 #84

No, no, no. Fuck this shit. Paladin Jan 24 #88

Neal Katyal is not impressed with this silly argument LetMyPeopleVote Jan 24 #94

The legal justification for TFG's Birthright Citizenship Executive Order is sad and wrong LetMyPeopleVote Jan 24 #96