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BumRushDaShow

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71. I have posted the multiple timelines over and over
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 06:17 AM
Mar 2025

One of them -

Inside Garland’s Effort to Prosecute Trump


By Glenn Thrush and Adam Goldman

Reporting from Washington

Published March 22, 2024 Updated March 27, 2024

After being sworn in as attorney general in March 2021, Merrick B. Garland gathered his closest aides to discuss a topic too sensitive to broach in bigger groups: the possibility that evidence from the far-ranging Jan. 6 investigation could quickly lead to former President Donald J. Trump and his inner circle. At the time, some in the Justice Department were pushing for the chance to look at ties between pro-Trump rioters who assaulted the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, his allies who had camped out at the Willard Hotel, and possibly Mr. Trump himself.

Mr. Garland said he would place no restrictions on their work, even if the “evidence leads to Trump,” according to people with knowledge of several conversations held over his first months in office. “Follow the connective tissue upward,” said Mr. Garland, adding a directive that would eventually lead to a dead end: “Follow the money.” With that, he set the course of a determined and methodical, if at times dysfunctional and maddeningly slow, investigation that would yield the indictment of Mr. Trump on four counts of election interference in August 2023.

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People around Mr. Garland, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss Justice Department affairs, say there would be no case against Mr. Trump had Mr. Garland not acted decisively. And any perception that the department had made Mr. Trump a target from the outset, without exploring other avenues, would have doomed the investigation. “Don’t confuse thoughtful with unduly cautious,” said a former deputy attorney general, Jamie S. Gorelick, who sent Mr. Garland, then her top aide, to oversee the prosecution of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. “He was fearless. You could see it then, and you could see it when he authorized the search at Mar-a-Lago.”

Mr. Garland’s allies point to how, by the summer of 2021, the attorney general and his powerful deputy, Lisa O. Monaco, were so frustrated with the pace of the work that they created a team to investigate Trump allies who gathered at the Willard Hotel ahead of Jan. 6 — John Eastman, Boris Epshteyn, Rudolph W. Giuliani and Roger J. Stone Jr. — and possible connections to the Trump White House, according to former officials. That team would lay the groundwork for the investigation that Mr. Smith would take over as special counsel a year and a half later. But a host of factors, some in Mr. Garland’s control, others not, slowed things down.

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Much more... https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/us/politics/trump-jan-6-merrick-garland.html

No paywall (gift link)


And there continues to be complete ignorance on how DOJ operates and their direct connection as "the law firm for the regulatory agencies" (using local U.S. Attorneys). This concept seems to be alien and people refuse to accept this concept when told about it.

You also have the issue of people not understanding that per the Constitution, STATES are "in charge of elections". So when 45 violated state laws, the states sat there twiddling their thumbs waiting on the federal government to "do something" when there was no direct authority for them to do such. They eventually figured it out and finally started investigating the issue of "fake electors". THAT IS WHY CONGRESS PASSED A LAW - AFTER THE FACT - TO DEAL WITH THE ELECTORS ISSUE -

S.4573 - Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022

You also can't selectively eliminate the judiciary interventions when "the defendant" used it to delay. During the multiple grand jury periods, you had people like Mark Meadows insisting on withholding info based on "Executive Privilege" and there were whole periods of time when that argument had to go through the lower, appellate, and finally to the SCOTUS to resolve before moving on.

Judge says several Trump aides, including former chief of staff, must testify to Jan. 6 grand jury

Appeals court rejects Trump's motion to block Mark Meadows, former aides from testifying in special counsel probe

I also point out a scenario of what DUers have demanded - instant investigations - and that happened with the RICO case that Fulton County, GA D.A. Fani Willis did. HER timeline -

Timeline: Criminal probe into Trump's efforts to overturn Georgia election results

(snip)

Feb. 10, 2021

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis notifies Kemp that her office has launched an investigation into efforts by Trump and his allies to overturn the results of the 2020 election, according to a letter obtained by ABC News.

The letter asked state officials to preserve any documents potentially related to the 2020 general election, "with particular care given to set aside and preserve those that may be evidence of attempts to influence the actions of persons who were administering" it, which would include Trump's phone call with Raffensperger.

Jan. 20, 2022

Willis requests to seat a special grand jury in her probe, according to a letter obtained by ABC News. In the letter to Fulton County Chief Judge Christopher Brasher, Willis wrote that the move is needed because "a significant number of witnesses and prospective witnesses have refused to cooperate with the investigation absent a subpoena requiring their testimony."

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July 11, 2023

Based on the findings of the special grand jury, Willis empanels a new grand jury to weight possible election-related charges against Trump.

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And one month after the above, on Aug. 15, 2023, Willis announced her indictments - Trump and 18 allies charged in Georgia election meddling as former president faces 4th criminal case


QUESTION

Today is March 19, 2025. Where is her case and why isn't 45 in state prison in Georgia?

ANSWER

The JUDGE tossed out some more charges (and now the whole thing is bogged down investigating HER instead of 45) - Judge tosses more counts against Trump and others in Georgia election case, 32 counts remain

So what happened?

Point being, the JUDICIARY was holding up ALL of the criminal cases - both federal and state (whether for trial or for sentencing). The only one that finally came to some sort of "conclusion" was the NY state one where the "sentencing" was basically non-existent (although the felonies remain).

I STILL see DUers insist that somehow, "charges were never brought", completely clueless about the fact that INDICTMENTS ARE CHARGES.

And don't try to "blend" what is a SEPARATION OF POWERS - Executive Branch vs Legislative Branch. That is another failure of the arguments. The way this system of a Constitutional Republic is *supposed to work* is that there are "checks and balances" and just because one party might have "control" over the Executive and Legislative, doesn't mean that they are always going to be "lock step" (although obviously 45 has decided that not only would he force such, but then he would decide to completely negate the Legislative Branch's role and go it alone).

This is apparently what DU wants Democrats to do.

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Now thrump's nazi base will send death threats to Roberts, and no doubt the head nazi, trump will double down and JohnSJ Mar 2025 #1
Yup, Roberts just put himself in the crosshairs. NotHardly Mar 2025 #23
Wow...this is shocking. FUCK you TRUMP!! Bengus81 Mar 2025 #35
Nice. DiamondShark Mar 2025 #69
Jumpin' Johnny Roberts relying on judicial precedent bucolic_frolic Mar 2025 #2
Wait, no cyclonefence Mar 2025 #3
Yes, it is a good thing. Ocelot II Mar 2025 #4
F*ck his soul--he doesn't have one. (sold it for his seat) lastlib Mar 2025 #12
"Someone" (maybe the 3 liberal Justices) must have WOKEN his ass up in a meeting BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #6
Self-preservation. Jay25 Mar 2025 #19
Exactly BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #22
Yes because when the King doesn't get his way, he will just say tavernier Mar 2025 #58
Yup. BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #61
True BRDS DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #42
Yeah I have been monitoring Buffet BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #62
Great durablend Mar 2025 #7
Hold the relevant Secretaries in contempt and 33taw Mar 2025 #31
Hey Johnny do you want to revisit the immunity issue.............asking for a friend......... turbinetree Mar 2025 #5
"I'm just doing what the VOTERS wanted me to do." William Seger Mar 2025 #8
"I was only following orders" The Wizard Mar 2025 #28
Where does he get this "OVERWHELMING MANDATE" from? William769 Mar 2025 #9
From the same seemingly bottomless, foul pit from which the rest of his lies and hyperbole are foisted upon us. Harker Mar 2025 #25
From his damn "reality show host" stupid propaganda for the stupids. nt Justice matters. Mar 2025 #48
Roberts Statement LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #10
Slathering on the irony with a trowel there, Johnny---- lastlib Mar 2025 #16
In Roberts' defense (I can't believe I'm saying this.), when he supported the immunity decision, maybe he couldn't generalbetrayus Mar 2025 #29
Sorry..... DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #44
Finally! PortTack Mar 2025 #11
Pretty anodyne, Johnny. maxsolomon Mar 2025 #13
Krasnov is INSANE Joinfortmill Mar 2025 #14
careful- you'll be et tu Mar 2025 #32
By him and what army? orangecrush Mar 2025 #43
By the US Army. Wednesdays Mar 2025 #57
Guess I don't have to worry now orangecrush Mar 2025 #59
r's are trying to pass et tu Mar 2025 #64
One of them just got arrested orangecrush Mar 2025 #65
Roberts may be standing up to trump. Time will tell LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #15
But like he has done the lower court judges BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #17
Please don't fall for this folks. Roberts is signaling Trump Mr.WeRP Mar 2025 #18
The SCOTUS would dissolve BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #20
I'd love it if Roberts (and one or two other Justices) got fed up with the Trump bullshit and tired of the wasted time Martin68 Mar 2025 #21
Operation Rogue Handmaid Blue Owl Mar 2025 #66
Historic victory is right. boonecreek Mar 2025 #24
The Smith report The Wizard Mar 2025 #38
More people voting against you BOSSHOG Mar 2025 #26
I can't understand why the SC justices, even the ones Orange Julius Caesar appointed, aren't standing up against him. generalbetrayus Mar 2025 #27
Never forget Anti-democracy Rehnquist 5 put us on this path in 2000 GoreWon2000 Mar 2025 #47
Well Well Well dawgdan Mar 2025 #30
"troublemaker and agitator." Mr. Evil Mar 2025 #33
He'll step down and then dump will appoint another 45-year-old maga-nat-zee wolfie001 Mar 2025 #34
Wait..wasn't there an intimate exchange between Roberts and Trump at the state of the Union speech? BattleRow Mar 2025 #36
Translation: "We'll take care of that on appeal, Your Highness." Marcuse Mar 2025 #37
Amazing. Not a peep about destroying the country, but if you fuck with the judiciary Scalded Nun Mar 2025 #39
Well, Roberts, you gave Trump immunity, so how are we going to force Trump to abide by the courts? SunSeeker Mar 2025 #40
Yes. And on Merrick Garland. Justice matters. Mar 2025 #41
Do you somehow think that Roberts would have acted or ruled any differently? BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #60
Then the dishonor would have been on him. Justice matters. Mar 2025 #67
It will ALWAYS be on Roberts BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #68
Garland did not push hard enough to really investigate Trump from April 2021 on. Justice matters. Mar 2025 #70
I have posted the multiple timelines over and over BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #71
And the end result of that bloathed separation of powers' justice system is... Justice matters. Mar 2025 #72
That is why there has been a continual push for "criminal justice reform" BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #73
Collapse of the rule of law is on the Rehnquist 5 GoreWon2000 Mar 2025 #45
Wht's extraordinary about defending the law? Marthe48 Mar 2025 #46
The SCOTUS started this nightmare in 2000 GoreWon2000 Mar 2025 #50
I'll never disagree with that statement of fact Marthe48 Mar 2025 #51
Thank you. I totally agree with you. GoreWon2000 Mar 2025 #53
TRUMP IS FUCKING INSANE AND CAN'T BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE SOON ENOUGH LymphocyteLover Mar 2025 #49
It's way too late for Roberts to remember the US Constitution. NNadir Mar 2025 #52
Guess who should be impeached, crazy traitor. Dave Bowman Mar 2025 #54
Roberts is right, this one time Wednesdays Mar 2025 #55
Elon 90-percent Mar 2025 #56
MaddowBlog-Chief Justice John Roberts rebukes Trump over call for federal judge's impeachment LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2025 #63
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