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Ol Janx Spirit

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12. Okun's law--not really a law but informative--would suggest this number is not accurate, but there are caveats.
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 11:13 AM
Dec 2025

Okun's law is an empirically observed relationship between unemployment and losses in a country's production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okun%27s_law

This seems an obvious thing, but Okun did a good job of quantifying it.

A couple of points though:
This is Q3 data, so we should have had this back in October. This means this data is capturing what happened over the summer and not the more recent slowdown in the economy. That said, holiday spending rose 4.2% this year according to Visa--but some of that is likely driven by higher prices IMO.

Imports are slowing due to tariffs, and they are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP--so imports going down actually makes the GDP number look better even though your local toy retailer that went out of business due to tariffs might beg to differ.
https://www.reuters.com/business/us-september-trade-deficit-lowest-more-than-five-years-goods-exports-soar-2025-12-11/

"The top 10 percent of U.S. households now account for nearly half of all spending, Moody’s Analytics recently estimated, the highest share since the late 1980s. Consumer sentiment has climbed among high earners but steadily fallen for other groups."
https://web.archive.org/web/20251019114215/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/19/business/economic-divide-spending-inflation-jobs.html
So these numbers are likely fueled by the "K-shaped" economy. When 90% of the population is in some sort of angst about their personal economy it eventually leads to political problems that even the top 10% can't get you out of.

It is hard to imagine that the 317,000 federal employees forced to leave the government this year will continue their spending habits for very long. Private sector employment remains flat, so that means that many--if not most--of these former federal workers have not reentered the workforce. At some point soon this should show up in the economic data--possibly in the Q4 numbers if we can rely on them.

So, if unemployment continues to tick up in Q4 we will certainly expect Okun's law to show up in the data.



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Cooked data? sop Dec 2025 #1
Any reason to believe Trump wouldn't lie to make himself look better? highplainsdem Dec 2025 #7
Perish the thought. Hugin Dec 2025 #8
When has he NOT cooked the books? Hieronymus Phact Dec 2025 #20
This happens when we never get the real data FakeNoose Dec 2025 #2
Anybody believe that? sinkingfeeling Dec 2025 #3
Hell no.................. Lovie777 Dec 2025 #4
Nope LoisB Dec 2025 #13
you know bdamomma Dec 2025 #14
Nope Rebl2 Dec 2025 #15
Let's see.... OldBaldy1701E Dec 2025 #36
How much of this is based on higher cost due to tariffs? DemMedic Dec 2025 #5
Much (maybe most) of personal consumption was for Healthcare underpants Dec 2025 #26
Very disturbing fujiyamasan Dec 24 #38
On the one hand, I don't want the economy to collapse, True Dough Dec 2025 #6
Trump fired the Commissioner of BLS because he didn't like the numbers. djacq Dec 2025 #9
I believe we are in a full recession. Main Street is hurting! OrlandoDem2 Dec 2025 #10
I heard Rebl2 Dec 2025 #17
And what effect did this have on prices or consumer sentiment? mwb970 Dec 2025 #11
Okun's law--not really a law but informative--would suggest this number is not accurate, but there are caveats. Ol Janx Spirit Dec 2025 #12
don't believe it Nigrum Cattus Dec 2025 #16
This has been a hard year for econ statistics due to massive policy changes. mathematic Dec 2025 #18
And when the real numbers are finally released the sudden drop off will be blamed on Democrats. groundloop Dec 2025 #19
Bullshit. SamKnause Dec 2025 #21
Hardy Har Har tavernier Dec 2025 #22
Consumer confidence (Conference Board) went down again, it was reported today progree Dec 2025 #23
I smell some B$ over in the Trump Barn IbogaProject Dec 2025 #24
Reuters on Q3 GDP - progree Dec 2025 #25
I think it's the October one. The shutdown delayed a lot of reports / data collection. Calista241 Dec 2025 #27
I think the number is bogus. OLDMDDEM Dec 2025 #28
LOL LOL LOL bucolic_frolic Dec 2025 #29
It seems to me that there are too separate issues here, and that we shouldn't conflate them. markodochartaigh Dec 2025 #30
My wallet says it didn't grow 4.3%, not for me at least. OC375 Dec 2025 #31
Did CNBC fact check this stuff you know go over to the BLS to see what they have to say......... turbinetree Dec 2025 #32
Fake stats Ritabert Dec 2025 #33
Data are legit but extremely misleading (and almost certainly skewed because of the shutdown) Wiz Imp Dec 2025 #34
I do not trust any numbers from the trump assholes LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2025 #35
chocolate rations are up! SonOfNebanaube Dec 2025 #37
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