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LetMyPeopleVote

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91. When Senator Kelly sues, he will have fun using these statements from Hegseth and Bondi
Mon Jan 5, 2026, 04:43 PM
Jan 2026

If the administration intends to investigate Democratic veterans in Congress, it should prepare equal treatment for members of the White House Cabinet.

In prior remarks, Hegseth and Bondi also said troops must disobey illegal orders - MS NOW

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CNN reported last week, for example, that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who’s helped advance the partisan offensive against the Democratic veterans, delivered remarks in 2016 explaining that U.S. military personnel “won’t follow unlawful orders from their commander in chief” and described the refusal of illegal commands as a part of the military’s ethos and standards.

CNN also found that, as Election Day 2016 drew closer, the former Fox News host told viewers that service members are “not going to follow illegal orders.”

That is to say, eight years ago, the future Pentagon chief delivered the same message he and Trump are now condemning.

Evidently, Hegseth is not alone. The New York Times reported:

Pam Bondi, the attorney general, said the same thing as the [Democratic] lawmakers last year in a friend-of-the-court brief in the Supreme Court as a lawyer for the America First Policy Institute, a conservative think tank that represented three former military leaders.


In the legal brief, which is available online through the high court’s website, Bondi wrote, “Military officers are required not to carry out unlawful orders.” The Florida Republican added, “The military would not carry out a patently unlawful order from the president to kill nonmilitary targets. Indeed, service members are required not to do so.”

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the Trump administration won’t launch sedition investigations into the incumbent president’s defense secretary and attorney general, but if officials continue to pursue Democratic veterans in Congress, they should probably prepare an answer to a straightforward question: “Why aren’t you also pursuing cases against the president’s defense secretary and attorney general?”

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The "We can do anything you can't stop us from doing" clause. Turbineguy Jan 2026 #1
Yes, because as spoiled children they never learned about rules. Were all our leaders the "Golden Child" growing up? LiberalArkie Jan 2026 #3
Sue their arses off NotHardly Jan 2026 #47
Can any court stop it? Until it reaches the supreme, that is question everything Jan 2026 #2
What is this thing called "Court"? LiberalArkie Jan 2026 #5
Any Federal court can halt this pending an appeal by Sen. Kelly, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2026 #6
Thanks. I also think that he has a pension as an astronaut, no? question everything Jan 2026 #7
I'm not sure about that, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2026 #8
And since the amount of the pensin soldierant Jan 2026 #113
If he was active duty while an astronaut it should be part of his Navy pension. Irish_Dem Jan 2026 #12
CAPT Kelly was a military officer detailed to NASA. He was never a NASA employee in the civil service. This action is 24601 Jan 2026 #117
The most deserved grade reduction I ever heard about COL Mustard Jan 2026 #22
Plus, as a Senator, he has at least a couple layers of immunity. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2026 #26
His name is James Grazioplene jmowreader Jan 2026 #51
Yes, that's the one COL Mustard Jan 2026 #68
I never had the displeasure of dealing with him, probably because he was a tanker... jmowreader Jan 2026 #72
When were you at FSB? A good friend of mine was there in the early 1970s. COL Mustard Jan 2026 #82
Veterans Day 1986 to April 1992 jmowreader Jan 2026 #88
That would have been a fantastic time to be there! COL Mustard Jan 2026 #96
Wonder which court would take this lawsuit? bluestarone Jan 2026 #65
Or, maybe you know, could it be: MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2026 #69
It will go where's it's filed by. Most likely DC. No reason it shouldn't be DC Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2026 #110
didn;t this need a court martial or at least art 15? rampartd Jan 2026 #97
Thank you orangecrush Jan 2026 #102
Yeah, that will be a law suit the Pentagon won't win. Plus just looks petty which is the Trump admin to a tee. dutch777 Jan 2026 #4
Once again... ScratchCat Jan 2026 #9
100% vapor2 Jan 2026 #35
Seriously!!! yellow dahlia Jan 2026 #71
Kelly serves on the Armed Services Committee, and the Select Committee on Intelligence... Grins Jan 2026 #10
As the reputation of the US Military takes a hit. ... littlemissmartypants Jan 2026 #11
Show me the charging documents. Grins Jan 2026 #13
How well versed are you on the UCMJ? Officers resign commision, they aren't discharged (honorably). marble falls Jan 2026 #41
The military will start to turn against Trump. Irish_Dem Jan 2026 #14
So far, the military have been Diddling Donny's patsies. Safe as Milk Jan 2026 #45
I know, the military is up his ass now. Irish_Dem Jan 2026 #58
That would be great, if they did. yellow dahlia Jan 2026 #73
Right now they are up Trump's ass. Irish_Dem Jan 2026 #76
kellly should sue kegsbreath personally moonshinegnomie Jan 2026 #15
These nasty bastards will continue until the American voters stop them. walkingman Jan 2026 #16
Yeah, well.. whathehell Jan 2026 #46
What about the other Senators who made the same statement? Were they not all military veterans? Midnight Writer Jan 2026 #17
The other lawmakers either never retired from service or come from intelligence agencies outside the UCMJ's reach chowder66 Jan 2026 #19
Thanks. Midnight Writer Jan 2026 #20
I looked it up before I saw your post. Glad I could share what I learned. chowder66 Jan 2026 #24
That is my question, too. Deuxcents Jan 2026 #21
I posted an answer to the question above. chowder66 Jan 2026 #25
They will lose in court malaise Jan 2026 #18
Suing the military is a tricky business. ... marble falls Jan 2026 #31
The problem is this ScratchCat Jan 2026 #48
One of the first things I signed when enlisting was a waiver to my access to the Bill of Rights. The very next ... marble falls Jan 2026 #55
Two points in your post LogDog75 Jan 2026 #78
I signed those in the Cleveland Federal Building on Feb 3, 1972. It was a shock when I got them. It still is with me. .. marble falls Jan 2026 #81
I, too, stand by what I wrote LogDog75 Jan 2026 #105
Courts have recognized free speech rights are curtailed madville Jan 2026 #92
The military member is responsible for their actions LogDog75 Jan 2026 #107
Kelly earned every penny of that, and his rank. babylonsister Jan 2026 #23
He was literally just restating the military code! nt SunSeeker Jan 2026 #44
This will not stand. Hogsbreath is turning the Pentagon into a chicken shit outfit. ... marble falls Jan 2026 #27
Will Flynn be next? SheltieLover Jan 2026 #28
and his active dip shit brother Historic NY Jan 2026 #60
Oh yes. I'd forgotten about him SheltieLover Jan 2026 #61
Give me a fucking break, that's absolute nonsense. 🤬 Dave Bowman Jan 2026 #29
Childish nonsense at that! marble falls Jan 2026 #38
What bullshit. TickTock, HogsBreath. Joinfortmill Jan 2026 #30
This is such bullshit. 3catwoman3 Jan 2026 #32
What a punk odins folly Jan 2026 #33
You mean like the January 6, 2020 Insurrection? LogDog75 Jan 2026 #108
Correct odins folly Jan 2026 #109
Sue the crap out of hegsbreath vapor2 Jan 2026 #34
I first read that as: "Slap the crap out of hogsbreath". As a dyslexic, I'm up for either! marble falls Jan 2026 #36
Hegseth says Sen. Mark Kelly will receive administrative punishment for video about lawful orders LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2026 #37
Just because he says he is going to do it doesn't mean he can or will. I am pretty Bev54 Jan 2026 #39
So, we have a decorated, retired Navy captain AND former astronaut losing his retirement pay? hamsterjill Jan 2026 #40
And combat veteran at that. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2026 #49
I'm sure it'll help recruiters bunches. littlemissmartypants Jan 2026 #70
Recruit?? Traildogbob Jan 2026 #86
Don't they still have recruiters? littlemissmartypants Jan 2026 #89
They do Traildogbob Jan 2026 #90
I think I remember Codifer Jan 2026 #93
College football was plastered with Traildogbob Jan 2026 #94
Roger that, Tdb! Thanks ❤️ littlemissmartypants Jan 2026 #111
🤜🏼🤛🏼 Traildogbob Jan 2026 #112
Memo to Pete Hogsbreath AverageOldGuy Jan 2026 #42
Ret. USMC here, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2026 #50
FIGHT BACK AGAINST THESE TRUMP CRIMINALS! democrank Jan 2026 #43
Turn you angst into..... MarcoZandrini Jan 2026 #83
Thanks for the tip, MarcoZandrini. democrank Jan 2026 #100
I feel bad for him and his family FredGarvin Jan 2026 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2026 #53
At least no limit to what and how they've tried to subvert. marble falls Jan 2026 #57
Statement from Senator Kellly LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2026 #54
Well, since there is no such thing as the Department of War, it has little lasting effect. sinkingfeeling Jan 2026 #56
Punishment for telling servicemembers that they should always make sure to follow the law. Mister Ed Jan 2026 #59
Kegsbreath isn't qualified to hand-wash Kelly's jockstrap. NBachers Jan 2026 #62
and yet we did nothing to the traitorous general when we were in power samsingh Jan 2026 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Zenlitened Jan 2026 #75
What an asshole.nt jfz9580m Jan 2026 #64
If this does go to court... Pluvious Jan 2026 #66
It's "seditious" and "reckless conduct" to reaffirm the US Code of Military Justice?? Martin Eden Jan 2026 #67
It isn't seditious or reckless, that's why Mark Kelly should fight this in court ... he'll win for sure FakeNoose Jan 2026 #84
It would be a military court Martin Eden Jan 2026 #104
"Department of WAR" - courtesy of B.See Jan 2026 #74
Flag officers and other high-ranking officers and civilians must be very disappointed to have to toe the line to this mi Norrrm Jan 2026 #77
D-I-S-G-U-S-T-I-N-G Faux pas Jan 2026 #79
I think Senator Kelly will win this battle LogDog75 Jan 2026 #80
Another item for the list of things to to when the Democrats are in charge again. Buddyzbuddy Jan 2026 #85
OK Pete we will remember that is an option for once you are out of your position IbogaProject Jan 2026 #87
When Senator Kelly sues, he will have fun using these statements from Hegseth and Bondi LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2026 #91
Hogsbreath sucks... GiqueCee Jan 2026 #95
I prefer Kegsbreath, but otherwise, yeah.... sickening LymphocyteLover Jan 2026 #98
This just sucks. Talk about "weaponization of government". I thought DOD might be above that. I was wrong. Evolve Dammit Jan 2026 #99
FUCK YOU DRUNKEN ASSHOLE orangecrush Jan 2026 #101
Almost seems like Russia has taken over our government thought crime Jan 2026 #103
Sounds like a lawsuit to me. mdbl Jan 2026 #106
The Senators and Representaives ahould read the UCMJ text into the Congressional Record. rickford66 Jan 2026 #114
If There Is An Actual Letter OhioTim Jan 2026 #115
Title of OP is not the same as the actual title of the article posted at the CNN website. Emile Jan 2026 #116
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