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pat_k

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74. Conclusion premature. Up until this latest accusation, I would agree that...
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 08:58 PM
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... what we were seeing has all the hallmarks of an orchestrated smear. (Not necessarily that it was an orchestrated smear, but the signs were all there.)

This latest accusation has brought things to another level. I suspect it will ultimately prove to be true. However, believing any accusation without scrutiny rubs me the wrong way. Always has.

I know I could be wrong, perhaps the incident didn't happen, but his admitted alcohol abuse raises questions. Drunk people are capable of things they would NEVER do if they weren't so drunk. This is not to excuse the behavior, only to point out that anyone with a history of alcohol abuse may have done awful things while in a drunken blackout. And not to "victim shame," but generally a person who abuses alcohol dates people who also abuse alcohol.

I'll leave it at that. The thing is, whether the accusation is ultimately proven true or false may be irrelevant at this point. The mob-mentality is in full swing. There is no stopping it now.

FWIW, I posted the following summarizing the hallmarks of an orchestrated smear back on June 5 when the NYTimes article came out.

Perhaps someday Jane Mayer will weigh in on Platner's case and we'll have much greater insight.
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Hallmarks of an Orchestrated Smear

I just re-read Jane Mayer's The Case of Al Franken.

Start with a drip drip, then pile on everything you can possibly dig up without looking past the surface. Release in rapid succession so there's no time for individual reports to be scrutinized. Cue outrage at "nothing terrible in isolation, but look at the number of them!"

The goal is to incite a mob mentality. Cue the pitchforks and torches.

It sure looks like some entity is orchestrating the smear of Platner following the same playbook.

Perhaps Jane will do an investigation of "The Case of Graham Platner." I'd sure like to hear more background on each and every report. I suspect it comes down to the same thing. A whole lot of smoke with no actual fire.

New Yorker
The Case of Al Franken
Jane Mayer
July 22, 2019

https://web.archive.org/web/20190829044419/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken


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Guess we'll be seeing a lot more of Susan Collins... Marie Marie Monday #1
What's Janet Mills doing these days? Vinca Monday #2
She said to write her in after the last set of obamanut2012 Monday #3
David Costello would be a better pick. pat_k Monday #9
2024 and Kamala all over again. It's a bit too late for that now. paleotn Monday #35
Hope your wrong. I think there's time. pat_k Monday #58
--- especially since a whole lot of Maine voters are anxious to vote Democratic Jack Valentino Monday #91
He seems very appealling and progressive enough MadameButterfly 17 hrs ago #125
It sounds like Troy Jackson may be more of a contender, along with a couple others pat_k 9 hrs ago #158
Being unelectable. Mainers aren't happy with her. paleotn Monday #34
Way to go Maine! awesomerwb1 Monday #4
Excuse me... 2naSalit Monday #10
My thought exactly. drray23 Monday #11
I grew up... 2naSalit Monday #13
Hard same. I had a post removed for suggesting exactly this would happen. nt Blasphemer Monday #14
This message was self-deleted by its author 2naSalit Monday #17
Damn, 2na... COL Mustard Monday #70
Just because people suggested this would happen doesn't make it true. nt CozyMystery 21 hrs ago #116
Wonder if this latest one got a big check. paleotn Monday #36
Seriously? niyad Monday #57
I don't know for sure and neither do you. paleotn Monday #59
If Republicans were behind this radical noodle 16 hrs ago #129
I appreciate your posts and figure you're due some insight into my meaning. paleotn Monday #67
I understand what you are saying. But, as a number of posts and OP's, niyad Monday #71
I get it, but Republicans are extremely good at this... paleotn Monday #73
Stories have come out that Gary Hart was framed MadameButterfly 13 hrs ago #136
Those were all my thoughts, too, paleotn. BComplex Monday #92
The timing is certainly political. hadEnuf Monday #85
Hang in there 2naSalit! Cha Monday #63
Thank you! 2naSalit Monday #78
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Nobody is blaming you personally, and no one should be blaming Mainers in general MadameButterfly 17 hrs ago #127
He should have been vetted... 2naSalit 16 hrs ago #128
Not a shiny new object. A person who expressed ideas that spoke to many people MadameButterfly 13 hrs ago #137
I believe her; I just wish she had come forth BEFORE the Maine Primary Chasstev365 Monday #5
My guess is that she was hoping she wouldn't have to... Blasphemer Monday #15
There was not question what the outcome of the primary would be MadameButterfly 13 hrs ago #138
She did. Just not with the rape allegation. Bok_Tukalo Monday #26
Or she was holding out for more cash. paleotn Monday #38
All the reason not to believe her. paleotn Monday #37
Been around long enough to see both Karl Rove and Roger Stone in action Bengus81 17 hrs ago #122
She spoke to NYT for the story that broke before the primary mcar Monday #62
Where's the proof? Why believe someone you don't know about something you don't have evidence for? nt CozyMystery 21 hrs ago #117
i believe the records of her telling other people at the time MadameButterfly 12 hrs ago #140
So much for Maine. He's toast. CousinIT Monday #6
You are wrong MadameButterfly 12 hrs ago #141
I mean given his checkered past and the previous incidents drray23 Monday #7
So how did it work out with Eric Swalwell? MadameButterfly 12 hrs ago #142
I hope she has overcome her concern of being known as a rape vicitm Raven123 Monday #8
I'm not sure it was the media... AloeVera Monday #27
Somebody was going to talk her into this MadameButterfly 12 hrs ago #143
Yes. He was going to be taken down one way or another. AloeVera 7 hrs ago #159
"And someone who is the antithesis installed" EX500rider 4 hrs ago #161
There will be forces trying to install a moderate MadameButterfly 2 hrs ago #162
More exagerated bullshit, ie. Al Franken LiberalLovinLug Monday #12
So Believe Women is over sarisataka Monday #16
Sound like... 2naSalit Monday #18
Conditional on the truth. LiberalLovinLug Monday #19
Has truth been determined? sarisataka Monday #20
No it hasn't. LiberalLovinLug Monday #22
Do you vote in Maine? yardwork Monday #23
Do you? paleotn Monday #44
Nope. Thats why I'm not telling them what to do. yardwork Monday #76
Nor am I. paleotn Monday #83
I don't live in Maine MadameButterfly 12 hrs ago #145
No argument from me. yardwork 11 hrs ago #151
You seem to think it has. From where does that info come from? paleotn Monday #43
My quote is from the poster I replied to sarisataka Monday #46
Glad to hear it. So am I. paleotn Monday #51
I try not to jump on bandwagons sarisataka Monday #54
That's a good way to put it. paleotn Monday #55
He's lost the support of even Progressives MadameButterfly 12 hrs ago #146
Apparently. sheshe2 Monday #21
I believe evidence. Got any? paleotn Monday #41
Women lie? sarisataka Monday #45
People lie. Await the evidence to pass judgement. paleotn Monday #47
Sorry no stock picks sarisataka Monday #49
I don't always believe anyone. BComplex Monday #94
I hope your last line is sincere sarisataka Monday #96
What kind of question is that? BComplex Monday #99
Do you think she is lying? sarisataka Yesterday #100
It's too late for another candidate to garner the support enough to win. BComplex Yesterday #102
So it doesn't matter what he has done sarisataka Yesterday #104
Um... BComplex Yesterday #106
No I don't know her sarisataka Yesterday #107
I get what you're saying. BComplex Yesterday #109
I have not seen anything on TV sarisataka Yesterday #110
Here is a part of the NYT article from back during the first republican round BComplex 14 hrs ago #134
From what I have read sarisataka 12 hrs ago #147
What do you want manicdem Monday #32
According to the Poster in #65 it is. MichMan 19 hrs ago #118
Conclusion premature. Up until this latest accusation, I would agree that... pat_k Monday #74
The accusations against Platner are much different from those against Franken. yardwork Monday #77
I agree with both of your points. spooky3 Monday #89
The main difference is that Franken was already elected. yardwork 18 hrs ago #121
Yes, Al should not have resigned. MadameButterfly 12 hrs ago #144
No...he should have because a group of Dems threw him under the bus Bengus81 11 hrs ago #152
ANd he regrets it and MadameButterfly 2 hrs ago #163
The Democratic Party doesn't allow this kind of behavior,, Escape Monday #24
He was gonna anyway if he won the election n/t Polybius Monday #61
You have that on good authority no doubt. AloeVera Monday #66
I never suggested he is a Republican plant Polybius 16 hrs ago #130
I have had qualms (expressed here) from the first, but honestly, if I had been sitting by Molly Jong Fast hlthe2b Monday #25
I actually see the timing as a positive and it gives her more credibility... Blasphemer Monday #28
No. It's too late for a second candidate to galvanize the support that Platner BComplex Yesterday #101
I would be curious to see what the NYT reporters say. Did she elaborate or not? Hassin Bin Sober Monday #60
See? Nobody has considered her previous story, but they're BComplex Yesterday #108
She didn't say there that he broke in? Seems like that would have been damn Bengus81 18 hrs ago #119
Those were my feelings about Molly... BComplex Monday #98
As an aside, I'm kind of over panels period. Alice B. 11 hrs ago #155
Platner needs to drop out this afternoon WSHazel Monday #29
If I was Platner, I would be so tired of the BS that I'd be seriously wanting to drop out BComplex Yesterday #105
He raped a woman WSHazel Yesterday #112
And you have proof of that without any doubt?d BComplex 14 hrs ago #135
"Beyond a reasonable doubt" is the standard for getting convicted of a crime WSHazel 12 hrs ago #150
The ruling class knives have been out for him from the door. BlueTsunami2018 Monday #30
David Costello pat_k Monday #31
David Costello or Troy Jackson MadameButterfly 12 hrs ago #148
Interesting timing. mzmolly Monday #33
The Maine Democratic Party calls on Graham Planter to drop out of the Senate race. LetMyPeopleVote Monday #39
Who would replace him? iemanja Monday #48
Not Mills. Shenna Bellows, Troy Jackson, Nirav Shah, Jordan Wood are mentioned by NYT pat_k Monday #79
I hope they do find someone iemanja 23 hrs ago #114
Mission Accomplished...High fiving over at the WH,and laughing how easy it is Bengus81 17 hrs ago #124
I want to see other information. NewEnglandAutumn Monday #40
I am with you. But I fear a specific accusation of drunken sexual assault goes way beyond the bullshit that brought down pat_k Monday #50
What a distaster iemanja Monday #42
Dozens of posts to this thread could be alerted on al bupp Monday #52
You mean like how people can say almost anything about Fetterman? MichMan Monday #81
You think Fetterman is a Democrat? When they go the DINO route we have the Bengus81 15 hrs ago #132
Yes I do MichMan 10 hrs ago #156
*sigh* Blue Owl Monday #53
They have options pat_k Monday #56
Amazing all of this comes out when Platner runs and he is leading in the polls. Timing means nothing. AZLD4Candidate Monday #64
Dems always seem to just give up when something like this happens Dangling0826 Monday #65
So, you will only believe it if there is a video of him actually raping her? MichMan Monday #84
pretty much!! Dangling0826 Monday #86
I'm getting these Al Franken fake vibes about this story kimbutgar Monday #68
I am with you. But a specific accusation of drunken sexual assault goes beyond the bullshit that brought down Franken. pat_k Monday #72
If he was behind Collins by five points there would be crickets........... Bengus81 18 hrs ago #120
Platner bromeando Monday #69
Allegations against Democrats are fatal to Candidates pwb Monday #75
Rapists have no place in leadership roles Quanta Monday #80
Every Trumpublican condemning Platner must be confronted on ignoring more, and more egregious, accusations against Trump pat_k Monday #82
THIS Bengus81 17 hrs ago #123
We are not going to get to the bottom of anything hadEnuf Monday #87
Planter is the only person who can beat Collins duckworth969 Monday #88
I disagree that he is the only one who can beat Collins. pat_k Yesterday #111
Appreciate your post duckworth969 11 hrs ago #153
Spot on, IMHO peggysue2 13 hrs ago #139
If this were a GOP candidate, they'd say tonekat Monday #90
Going with Rachel and Chris Hayes' this time kiranon Monday #93
Vote D flamingdem Monday #95
Can We Use This As A Moment to Reopen the Kavanaugh Investigation? DrFunkenstein Monday #97
A Joan Barron? usonian Yesterday #103
I'm just glad this waited until AFTER Taylor Swift's Wedding. flvegan Yesterday #113
What? What does't her wedding have to do with any of this? LeftInTX 23 hrs ago #115
The amount of DUers still supporting this dude is appalling obamanut2012 14 hrs ago #133
Absolutely. The right move is to use this to come out ALL.GUNS BLAZING against GOP assaulters DrFunkenstein 12 hrs ago #149
Vote D no matter who? WinningAgain 15 hrs ago #131
So, here's the ethical quandry tonekat 11 hrs ago #154
Platner isn't the only one who can beat Collins pat_k 10 hrs ago #157
Now please can Dems ALL dump Morris Katz JoFerret 5 hrs ago #160
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