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Denzil_DC

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88. Considering this has been billed as "The Brexit Election", the level of debate has been appalling.

Fri Dec 13, 2019, 01:28 AM

Dec 2019

The result would be a teeny bit more palatable if it felt like the electorate as a mass - and even many of the politicians - now understood the issues better.

As it is, "Get Brexit Done" - the single most blatant lie of a promise of all the campaigns - prevailed.

But as I said earlier elsewhere, Johnson now owns this and all the failures that result from it, all the promised anti-austerity measures that will no doubt evaporate, and the ill feeling that will no doubt grow among those who voted Tory anew as his project unravels over the next few years.

Now, having guzzled a quarter bottle of port, I think it's finally time for bed.

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BREAKING: BBC exit poll...BoJo 368 majority. GE OPEN THREAD [View all] Soph0571 Dec 2019 OP

I concur, that's shocking. OnDoutside Dec 2019 #1

Sooo getting my Irish passport! Soph0571 Dec 2019 #3

My sister works for the Irish passport service and they were flooded with enquiries after OnDoutside Dec 2019 #9

Seriously, I come from a traditional Unionist family Soph0571 Dec 2019 #12

No harm to have both, as you are entitled to. OnDoutside Dec 2019 #19

Let's hope they got the same pollsters Turbineguy Dec 2019 #2

BBC are normally reasonably accurate Soph0571 Dec 2019 #4

I understand they have promised Turbineguy Dec 2019 #10

Heh Soph0571 Dec 2019 #13

Polls seem to be losing accuracy with each big election... VarryOn Dec 2019 #54

And Corbyn ran on health care RandySF Dec 2019 #5

Yeah he did. But this was a Brexit Eelection.... Soph0571 Dec 2019 #6

Yes, those decades of dumbing down education and news has OnDoutside Dec 2019 #22

How secure is the voting system? 2naSalit Dec 2019 #7

This is for real Soph0571 Dec 2019 #8

Pretty secure - this is paper ballot voting muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #14

Thanks. 2naSalit Dec 2019 #16

If it does pan out as predicted, it's a poison chalice. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #11

The only comfort is that he could block of the ERG no brexit bollocks Soph0571 Dec 2019 #15

I'm still going to wait for the actual results. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #20

Andrew Marr just made a good point... Soph0571 Dec 2019 #23

Well, if all this is true, the majority in those seats have bought into Johnson's nonsense, Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #31

It looks like Jo might be losing hers... Soph0571 Dec 2019 #33

That wouldn't surprise me at all. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #36

I hate to say this... BooScout Dec 2019 #17

I agree...they turned their leadership election.. VarryOn Dec 2019 #55

Ugh. geardaddy Dec 2019 #18

I wonder if Jo Swinson will lose her seat muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #21

That will be one of the more interesting calls of the night Soph0571 Dec 2019 #24

The Guardian is catching up with us muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #28

Bloody hell Soph0571 Dec 2019 #30

Of that lot, I'd particularly love Dumfries and Galloway to go SNP (or anyone else). Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #35

Ugh. Alistair Jack holds Dumfries & Galloway. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #78

I'm really sorry. This is incredibly disastrous. Mike 03 Dec 2019 #25

I actually am sitting here with a knot in my stomach on this. Soph0571 Dec 2019 #26

They are predicting that Corbym will have a worse defeat than Micheal Foot. Soph0571 Dec 2019 #27

this is a preview of our 2020 election AlexSFCA Dec 2019 #29

I wish I didn't agree with you, Alex. But I do. hedda_foil Dec 2019 #44

It is a warning sign, that's for sure. mwooldri Dec 2019 #50

Doh! StrictlyRockers Dec 2019 #32

Good lord, what the hell is going on? Afromania Dec 2019 #34

People do not like Corbyn and don't trust him. So much so that many voted for a buffoon. RelativelyJones Dec 2019 #37

Nick Cohen on Jess Phillips... Soph0571 Dec 2019 #38

Jess Phillips is extremely impressive. Mike 03 Dec 2019 #39

She kicks arse Soph0571 Dec 2019 #41

I've no idea why Cohen thinks Phillips might be a winner. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #40

Maybe they will see the light... move back to centre Left and vote in a woman Soph0571 Dec 2019 #42

There are a few others in and around the Labour front bench I could see Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #43

Maybe abrasive is what they need right now Soph0571 Dec 2019 #45

Do you like Alison McGovern at all? Mike 03 Dec 2019 #48

Maybe. I've always found her too scattershot, and she has a bad reputation as a team player, Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #51

Blythe Valley to the Tory's Soph0571 Dec 2019 #60

I'll be staying up for the bulk of the Scottish results. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #61

Workington went Tory Soph0571 Dec 2019 #63

... Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #66

Fucking hell Soph0571 Dec 2019 #67

Many here complained about Tony Blair being too conservative Polybius Dec 2019 #76

Puke Alert: BBC World Service interviewing Farage. Mike 03 Dec 2019 #46

Now brexit is gone he is going to start the 'reform' party Soph0571 Dec 2019 #49

Unhappy but not surprised. mwooldri Dec 2019 #47

I wrote an article about this being 1983 all over again Soph0571 Dec 2019 #52

The Tory's have taken Blythe Valley Soph0571 Dec 2019 #53

They say whole areas have turned . Sunderland reduced lunasun Dec 2019 #57

These results are terrible Kitchari Dec 2019 #56

People tend towards authoritarianism cilla4progress Dec 2019 #58

I'm glad I went to GB when it was sane kimbutgar Dec 2019 #59

This is the 2nd referendum and we have lost Soph0571 Dec 2019 #62

I think a major part of this.... T_i_B Dec 2019 #83

Oh shit! BigmanPigman Dec 2019 #64

The democrats need to learn the lessons from this Soph0571 Dec 2019 #65

Nigel Dodds has been given the boot in North Belfast Soph0571 Dec 2019 #68

Zac Goldsmith loses to the Lib Dems in Richmond Park. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #69

Caroline Flint out in Don Valley Soph0571 Dec 2019 #70

By the end she was a hardcore Brexiteer T_i_B Dec 2019 #80

Jo Swinson loses her seat. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #71

posted at the same time on this Soph0571 Dec 2019 #73

SNP partisanship aside, I think it's no secret I never rated Swinson. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #75

SNP now up to 35 seats out of 38 declared, so 50+ doesn't seem to be out of the question. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #77

I think she would have been forced out if she held her seat T_i_B Dec 2019 #82

Maybe. I heard noises before she lost her seat that they might stick with her for the long haul. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #84

No point in just saying "we are the party of remain" T_i_B Dec 2019 #87

Considering this has been billed as "The Brexit Election", the level of debate has been appalling. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #88

Very true T_i_B Dec 2019 #89

It's not about debate, it's all about propaganda. Ghost Dog Dec 2019 #94

Unsurprising Labour hold in Edinburgh South by Ian Murray. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #79

Final tally in Scotland: Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #86

Jo Swinson is out by a whisker Soph0571 Dec 2019 #72

Apparently Scotland and much of Northern Ireland is sending the UK MarcA Dec 2019 #74

Already I hear Scottish separatist voices advocating Ghost Dog Dec 2019 #95

I now have a Tory MP again T_i_B Dec 2019 #81

Labour retain Sheffield Hallam T_i_B Dec 2019 #85

The Beast of Bolsover is no more T_i_B Dec 2019 #90

I heard he was too ill to campaign, which won't have helped. Denzil_DC Dec 2019 #91

It's not the only issue T_i_B Dec 2019 #92

Sadly, the harbinger of much bad coming Britain's way Pachamama Dec 2019 #93

Tories held Winchester - majority down from 10,000 to 1,000 muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #96

Full list of all the MPs who have lost their seats Soph0571 Dec 2019 #97

No way back for defecting MPs as all 11 fail in bid to win re-election Soph0571 Dec 2019 #98