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11. It's called "the male gaze" --
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 12:40 AM
Jan 2012

and here are my notes about it:

(re women's Fashion magazine and advertising poses, which show women as subordinate -- or they would be subordinate poses except that they show powerful women -- Hollywood stars -- who know they are controlling the male gaze.)
http://www.uvm.edu/~tstreete/powerpose/index.html

The problem is, however, that most women make less money and have less power than most men, and the message that goes out to women without power is that to get some, you need to gain control of a male view of women -- which means to get power through male power, rather than on your own.

This is where the theory of the male gaze becomes important. John Berger once noted, "Men 'act' and women 'appear.' Men look at women. Women watch themselves being looked at." (Ways of Seeing , p. 47)

...There is a long tradition in Western art of representing men as viewers, and women as viewed. It continues in modern advertising.

... (again, in Berger's words), "Women watch themselves being looked at." Women are acculturated to look at themselves through the eyes of an imagined man because the ideal spectator is always assumed to be male. As a result, "Female models in ads addressed to women 'treat the lens as a substitute for the eye of an imaginary male onlooker' (Paul Messaris).

... The question of who has power and wealth, and how this woman is gaining access to it, needs not be asked: women get power from men by using their looks.
http://www.uvm.edu/~tstreete/powerpose/power.html

Links to other material: http://www.uvm.edu/~tstreete/powerpose/links.html


Read excerpt from Wanting to be Wanted, by Polly Young-Eisendrath, PhD, a psychoanalyst
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0609805304/ref=sib_fs_top/105-7769261-0103624?ie=UTF8&p=S00M&checkSum=A2hQvwtmWT9EnxX4S4eSTMCFYzpftAHRVwTxDD9Nit4%3D#reader-link

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Edited to add bold above, and to say that I wonder what would happen -- to fashion, to advertising, to our personal power, to us as individual female humans -- if we weren't trained to see OURSELVES and each other through the imagined male gaze? What if, instead, we were free to define beauty and well-being purely for ourselves?

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Both starspunch78 Dec 2011 #1
i was in NO recently and seeing man after man check out seabeyond Dec 2011 #2
+ 1 musette_sf Dec 2011 #4
Most men are drawn to women. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #14
and most women are drawn to men. seabeyond Jan 2012 #15
Huh, that is interesting in a messed up sort of way. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #16
people watch seabeyond Jan 2012 #17
you are a man seabeyond Jan 2012 #20
... redqueen Jan 2012 #21
my thoughts are.... what the fuck is this kid being taught. seabeyond Jan 2012 #22
Thanks. redqueen Jan 2012 #23
the problem i have seen with ones put on du is the kid or even man could be looking at anything seabeyond Jan 2012 #24
"why do men seriously make comments like this, repeatedly." ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #25
lmfao... isnt that the best, most fun song, ... evah. seabeyond Jan 2012 #26
I saw the video posted LGBT a while back, and I posted it in every thread ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #27
are you kidding, lol, until i started reading and listening, i was a sexist. raising children, seabeyond Jan 2012 #28
Luring starspunch78 Jan 2012 #18
only read this little bet. gonna go in and read later. seabeyond Dec 2011 #3
When I was in high school spooky3 Dec 2011 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #7
K&R +1 PhoenixAbove Dec 2011 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #8
"Women's feet are a mess (not so with men's feet)" Gormy Cuss Dec 2011 #9
recently i have bought a couple really comfortable high heel boots seabeyond Dec 2011 #10
Women's shoes contribute to knee problems also, per an orthop. surgeon I consulted. spooky3 Jan 2012 #12
It's called "the male gaze" -- Remember Me Jan 2012 #11
Excellent post. redqueen Jan 2012 #13
Yes and No starspunch78 Jan 2012 #19
I'd give anything to be objectified again! i was a cathar Jan 2012 #29
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