Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Weapons common on Oregon college campus despite 'gun-free zone' [View all]jimmy the one
(2,724 posts)Johnston: actually, they do have a gun free policy there were no kids with guns there. The kids would have been under 21, too young for a CCW.
I was 25 when I graduated college. And 26 too. Students come in all ages these days.
A veteran who says he was carrying a concealed weapon on the UCC campus when 26-year-old Mercer went on a murderous rampage, says he didnt intervene because he knew police SWAT team members wouldnt know him from the shooter. In an interview with MSNBC, vet John Parker said he knows lots of students who conceal carry at the school because, despite a school policy that discourages weapons on campus, Oregon state law does allow it.
...Parker explained that his military training provided him with the skills to go into danger, but said he felt lucky he and others didnt try to get involved going after Mercer. Luckily we made the choice not to get involved, And we could have opened ourselves up to be potential targets ourselves, and not knowing where SWAT was, their response time, they wouldnt know who we were. And if we had our guns ready to shoot, they could think that we were bad guys. http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2015/10/02/vet-with-concealed-weapon-explains-why-he-didnt-shoot-in-umpqua
Despite the protestations of gun rights advocates {like Johnston}, Umpqua Community College is not actually a "gun-free zone." In 2012, the Oregon State Board of Higher Education unanimously voted to ban guns inside university buildings, but not on campus grounds overall. While UCC is not dictated by the SBHE, its policy on weapons is reportedly comparable.
http://mic.com/articles/126203/this-armed-vet-at-umpqua-nails-why-eliminating-gun-free-zones-won-t-stop-mass-shootings
Johnston: actually, they do have a gun free policy there were no kids with guns there. The kids would have been under 21, too young for a CCW.
Do you understand how the facts make you wrong again, Johnston?
Johnston: Fact is, good guys with guns do stop bad guys with or without guns.. Even gun control activist and academic David Hemenway admits that it happens over 100K times a year. .
Sure it does happen, but not nearly enough to outweigh the carnage of gun death & injury & mayhem.
johnston: Just because former Monsanto PR executive Shannon Watts said so while working for Bloomberg, doesn't mean it is true. If the source matters, Watts is a PR professional who headed Monstanto's GMOs are good for you.... decades of studies in peer reviewed criminology journals and replicated as being valid vs the tweets of a former Monstanto PR executive who happens to be on the payroll of a narcissistic, authoritarian, and racist billionaire. You can pretty well guess which claim is I think is suspect. http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#crime
Here's a sterling example of Johnston posting a 'liar's link', without citing anything; he imposes upon readers to 'guess who I am!'. We don't want to play guessing games with your liar's links Johnston. We're not that interested in how the right wing democrat mind works. Cite specifically how you think your link supports you.
What exactly did Shannon watts 'say so' about defensive gun uses?
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