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branford

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3. What exactly will mandatory liability insurance accomplish that's different than now?
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 02:55 PM
Nov 2015

First, in virtually all areas you don't actually need automobile insurance if you don't drive on public roads. Accordingly, I assume you wouldn't require firearm insurance for self-defense, hunting and sporting weapons in the home or used on private property?

Moreover, I'll simply re-post my prior comment about the near insurmountable legal and practical issues with requiring mandatory firearm liability insurance,



First, you cannot insure against your own intentional criminal acts. Insurance also wouldn't cover the effects of violence unconnected to the owner's firearms. Personal liability insurance is not a some general crime victim recovery fund funded by legal gun owners (which would have its own myriad of constitutional problems). For instance, even if the recent shooter of the reporters in Virginia has liability insurance, the victims' families would not collect a dime from the policy.

Second, since the incidence of firearm negligence among lawful gun owners is minuscule, despite the occasional graphic news story (recall that the USA has about 100+ million legal gun owners and over 300+ million firearms), the cost for such policies would be (and are) negligible. If the government attempted to artificially raise the costs of such insurance above what actuarial standards required, it would become a tax or penalty on gun ownership, and no longer "insurance" (again, with significant constitutional problems).

Third, most homeowners and renters policies already cover accidents involving firearms, and thus most gun owners already have insurance.

Fourth, if the intent and design of the policy is to discourage the exercise of a constitutional right by simply making it more burdensome or expensive, it would almost certainly be unconstitutional in the same manner the courts struck-down poll taxes and literacy tests for voting.

Fifth, the vast majority of crime involving guns does not involve legal firearm owners or guns, and therefore this policy would have little to no effect on crime rates as such firearms would still not be insured even if mandatory. "Mass shootings" are also an extremely small percentage of gun crime.

Sixth, firearm accident insurance and policy riders are already very cheap and readily available, and the NRA is one of its largest proponents. If specific firearm insurance became mandatory, it would be a huge financial windfall for the NRA not only as a provider and vendor (similar to how AARP is a vendor for health and life insurance), but also as an endorser as they are the largest firearms safety organization in the country.

Seventh, there is no data to suggest that the country actually has a problem with uncompensated losses resulting from accidents involving legal firearms. What problem does the mandatory insurance proposal actually address?

Eighth, the lack of liability insurance does not prevent accident victims from suing someone for their negligence or criminal acts.

Simply, mandatory insurance is a feel-good measure, little more than solution looking for a problem, and would not in any way cause some rift between insurance companies and any part of the gun rights lobby.

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What if we treated car owners like gun owners... [View all] virginia mountainman Nov 2015 OP
Interesting spin jehop61 Nov 2015 #1
Gun control advocates are always telling us we should regulate guns like we do cars...n/t Kang Colby Nov 2015 #7
There are more than 30 federally mandated safety features for the interior of a car. flamin lib Dec 2015 #23
I'm OK with that. I'd then be able to legally take that gun into *all* states, and would no longer.. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #24
Problems, here... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #10
Your logic jehop61 Nov 2015 #12
"Your logic cannot be refuted by me." FTFY... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #13
Please re-read. And kindly quit attacking progressives in DU. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #16
All I know jehop61 Dec 2015 #17
You don't 'know' these things, you *believe* them- and that's fine friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #18
Fact jehop61 Dec 2015 #19
So those right wing liars at the FBI are all wrong I guess? DonP Dec 2015 #20
How *dare* you derail that poster's religious proselytizing with inconvenient facts! friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #21
Well, everybody knows the DoJ under Eric Holder was pro gun and right wing DonP Dec 2015 #22
spin??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #14
fine. lets require liability insurance on each gun, like we do for cars! nt msongs Nov 2015 #2
What exactly will mandatory liability insurance accomplish that's different than now? branford Nov 2015 #3
Liability insurance IS OPTIONAL in some states.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #5
Biggest seller of firearm related insurance? The NRA thanks you for the business and revenue. DonP Nov 2015 #8
Liability insurance is only required if you drive the car on public roads. Angleae Nov 2015 #9
Jesus, doesn't the NRA get enough money? Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #11
My company owns 20 cars without any insurance Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #25
a federal firearms license is not to own a gun but to buy and sell them. hollysmom Nov 2015 #4
to sell firearms, you need all of what you listed in addition to an FFL gejohnston Nov 2015 #6
I don't think you need a fixed location. that is why they are checking the houses. hollysmom Nov 2015 #15
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