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In reply to the discussion: What if we treated car owners like gun owners... [View all]branford
(4,462 posts)3. What exactly will mandatory liability insurance accomplish that's different than now?
First, in virtually all areas you don't actually need automobile insurance if you don't drive on public roads. Accordingly, I assume you wouldn't require firearm insurance for self-defense, hunting and sporting weapons in the home or used on private property?
Moreover, I'll simply re-post my prior comment about the near insurmountable legal and practical issues with requiring mandatory firearm liability insurance,
First, you cannot insure against your own intentional criminal acts. Insurance also wouldn't cover the effects of violence unconnected to the owner's firearms. Personal liability insurance is not a some general crime victim recovery fund funded by legal gun owners (which would have its own myriad of constitutional problems). For instance, even if the recent shooter of the reporters in Virginia has liability insurance, the victims' families would not collect a dime from the policy.
Second, since the incidence of firearm negligence among lawful gun owners is minuscule, despite the occasional graphic news story (recall that the USA has about 100+ million legal gun owners and over 300+ million firearms), the cost for such policies would be (and are) negligible. If the government attempted to artificially raise the costs of such insurance above what actuarial standards required, it would become a tax or penalty on gun ownership, and no longer "insurance" (again, with significant constitutional problems).
Third, most homeowners and renters policies already cover accidents involving firearms, and thus most gun owners already have insurance.
Fourth, if the intent and design of the policy is to discourage the exercise of a constitutional right by simply making it more burdensome or expensive, it would almost certainly be unconstitutional in the same manner the courts struck-down poll taxes and literacy tests for voting.
Fifth, the vast majority of crime involving guns does not involve legal firearm owners or guns, and therefore this policy would have little to no effect on crime rates as such firearms would still not be insured even if mandatory. "Mass shootings" are also an extremely small percentage of gun crime.
Sixth, firearm accident insurance and policy riders are already very cheap and readily available, and the NRA is one of its largest proponents. If specific firearm insurance became mandatory, it would be a huge financial windfall for the NRA not only as a provider and vendor (similar to how AARP is a vendor for health and life insurance), but also as an endorser as they are the largest firearms safety organization in the country.
Seventh, there is no data to suggest that the country actually has a problem with uncompensated losses resulting from accidents involving legal firearms. What problem does the mandatory insurance proposal actually address?
Eighth, the lack of liability insurance does not prevent accident victims from suing someone for their negligence or criminal acts.
Simply, mandatory insurance is a feel-good measure, little more than solution looking for a problem, and would not in any way cause some rift between insurance companies and any part of the gun rights lobby.
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Gun control advocates are always telling us we should regulate guns like we do cars...n/t
Kang Colby
Nov 2015
#7
There are more than 30 federally mandated safety features for the interior of a car.
flamin lib
Dec 2015
#23
I'm OK with that. I'd then be able to legally take that gun into *all* states, and would no longer..
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2015
#24
How *dare* you derail that poster's religious proselytizing with inconvenient facts!
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2015
#21
What exactly will mandatory liability insurance accomplish that's different than now?
branford
Nov 2015
#3
Biggest seller of firearm related insurance? The NRA thanks you for the business and revenue.
DonP
Nov 2015
#8
I don't think you need a fixed location. that is why they are checking the houses.
hollysmom
Nov 2015
#15