Gun Control & RKBA

gwheezie

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8. That point is kinda ambiguous to me

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:09 PM

Dec 2015

I personally would not loan my shotgun to anyone unless I was present at all times. Sometimes you think you know people and you really don't.
My neighbors are wonderful people. Quiet, polite, lovely home known them for years, I would not hand over my shotgun to them and watch them walk off with it. If they wanted to borrow it to take care of some vermin I'd walk over there with them. I just feel like since its my weapon I'm responsible for it.
I had no opinion on this until a few years ago when a young man had his guns removed by the court and he went and bought several rifles from a neighbor. He wound up killing 8 people including the neighbor. It was a legal gun sale as far as the dead neighbor was concerned. But if he had been required to get a ubc he would have at least been informed of course he could have sold him the guns anyway.

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What is the worry in this group with universal background checks for private sales? [View all] Logical Dec 2015 OP

Personally none except legalisms whatthehey Dec 2015 #1

Thanks for the info, not sure how they would handle "gifts". Nt Logical Dec 2015 #2

I don't know where you got your Constitutional Law Degree, but I got mine at flamin lib Dec 2015 #5

By all means get a case running up the judicial flagpole then whatthehey Dec 2015 #18

Something like 30 states already have them DonP Dec 2015 #3

That point is kinda ambiguous to me gwheezie Dec 2015 #8

I've loaned my Browning BPS pump to a friend for pheasant hunting for a weekend a couple of times. DonP Dec 2015 #11

I think it has more to do with the definition of transfer gejohnston Dec 2015 #12

No objections sarisataka Dec 2015 #4

The major objection is that it might lead to universal registration of guns as a means flamin lib Dec 2015 #6

"Theys commin to git my gunz!" A reasonable fear, as "they" did just that in California: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #10

The culture now is not like it was 23 years ago. Calm down. nt Logical Dec 2015 #23

I agree-gun control is nowhere near as popular as it was then... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #29

Also, aware gun owners now know that reassurances from controllers are patently false friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #30

so true Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #37

There's one in this very thread saying, in essence: "You were lied to before, but I swear it won't.. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #38

yep Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #39

we will not give them another chance Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #32

Oh FFS you guys sound like a parody of Charleston Heston. nt Logical Dec 2015 #33

why, because they have done it before Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #34

Ignore documented historical evidence of mendacity and trust them? Fuck no... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #36

Your guns are safe. Calm down. No one is taking your guns away. nt Logical Dec 2015 #40

I know Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #41

Just calm down. nt Logical Dec 2015 #42

you seem to be the one all worked up Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #43

Yep - as mentioned, other then being annoying for private sales, jmg257 Dec 2015 #7

Does anyone here mind UBC for private sales??? ileus Dec 2015 #9

Depends - are they free? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #13

Most here favor some sort of UCB. Have that "other side," now? Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #14

Yep, and there is an "other side". nt Logical Dec 2015 #15

I've repeatedly indicated that I support UBC's, at least in theory. branford Dec 2015 #16

Good points, But I own guns and have no worry at all who knows what I own and I don't care..... Logical Dec 2015 #17

I guess I see, but do not share, the fear of registration whatthehey Dec 2015 #19

I grew-up in Rockland County, NY, and still have friends and family there. branford Dec 2015 #21

I would suggest a gradual and far less controversial approach to UBC's. branford Dec 2015 #20

It wouldn't work. The only way it can actually work is if you require registration, because Waldorf Dec 2015 #22

Good point. But isn't the initial purchaser known? Or are those records destroyed after the..... Logical Dec 2015 #24

Yes, the initial purchaser is know. All new firearms must go thru a licensed dealer. Waldorf Dec 2015 #25

So how do criminals get guns if we have such great tracking? sanatanadharma Dec 2015 #26

Criminals get them stealing them, but the most common way I have read is thru straw purchases Waldorf Dec 2015 #27

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect gwheezie Dec 2015 #28

I have no problem with it. The problem is you won't get it passed in this Congress. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #31

I worked to enact them here in Oregon. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #35

The fact that the same people pushing it are pushing bans/confiscation of the most popular guns, benEzra Dec 2015 #44