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Gun Control & RKBA

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branford

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25. Nice strawman argument.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jan 2016

No one here has suggested ending background checks or that any law must be 100% effective. Nevertheless, any proposed law, firearm or otherwise, must at least demonstrate a minimum threshold of effectiveness for its intended purpose and not unduly punish or restrict other innocent, law-abiding citizens.

Discussions about firearm regulation require at least a modicum of good faith. If gun control advocates continually suggest certain proposals such as UBC's in response to mass shootings, it hardly surprising that people expect evidence that such proposals will actually reduce or mostly eliminate mass shootings, all before considerations such as constitutionality or practical concerns of how such policies will impact innocent people.

Simply, UBC's would not have prevented ANY mass (and most, if not all, other high profile) shootings in the last few decades. This fact has even been admitted by the White House. If you claim UBC's are justified by mass shootings, such a proposal need not be 100% effective, but it certainly must be better than 0% effective!

If any firearm event simply engenders the same old wish list of gun control advocates, many of whom would prefer an effective civilian ban and confiscation of firearms (such as Obama's and Clinton's praise of the Australian model), regardless of the facts and circumstances of events purportedly underlining the proposals, evidence that the ideas haven't or will not work, and ignoring the needs and interests of tens of millions of their fellow Americans, such ideas will be met in the spirit and seriousness that they were offered, and summarily rejected.

If you want to restrict the constitutional right to keep and bear arms, it is you who must demonstrate that your proposals are constitutional, broadly effective and actually address a specific problem, and don't unduly harm or restrict people who pose no thread. Ridiculous strawman arguments, attempts at emotional blackmail, and childish insults will not only lead to no further firearm regulations, but will serve to harden opposition to your ideas.

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today on MHP [View all] Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 OP
What's dishonest is using this one example SecularMotion Jan 2016 #1
as I have said many times Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #2
You just said you supported background checks SecularMotion Jan 2016 #3
yes, because it is true Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #4
Your claims are ridiculous and your questions are irrelevant. SecularMotion Jan 2016 #6
but that how the pundits Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #7
I'll offer a counter question. flamin lib Jan 2016 #10
many collisions are stopped Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #11
No, Ducky, admit it. Your arguments are specious. flamin lib Jan 2016 #12
this is about background checks, nice try at Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #13
Your case could be bolstered by an example or two ... DonP Jan 2016 #8
my guess is he will not respond Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #9
He posted more in this thread than in his own group for a month n/t DonP Jan 2016 #14
I know, lol Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #15
You can support background checks while detailing the reasons why they're ineffetive, GGJohn Jan 2016 #5
Says the anecdote king. krispos42 Jan 2016 #16
yes, indeed so Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #19
I support UBC's so long as there are protections against registration lists and the cost is minimal. branford Jan 2016 #17
good response, thank you Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #18
As a purely practical matter, I believe UBC's are chip I could see being bargained away branford Jan 2016 #20
Bargained? Yes. beevul Jan 2016 #27
There is NO logic in the position that no gun measure is worth considering unless 100% effective in hlthe2b Jan 2016 #21
so who is saying that? Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #22
I won't give you the time it would take to spew back your gungeon posts... but they are there. hlthe2b Jan 2016 #23
typical, just posting insults Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #24
Nice strawman argument. branford Jan 2016 #25
Generally, it's the anti-gunners that expect 100 percent effectiveness beardown Jan 2016 #26
And if they don't get it, they push another law! Makes perfect sense. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #28
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