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jmg257

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36. Hey jimmmy! I don't think there is doubt about the 2nd securing an individual right...
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:53 PM
Feb 2016

"The Second Amendment says that: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” In interpreting and applying this Amendment, I take as a starting point the following four propositions, based on our precedent and today’s opinions, to which I believe the entire Court subscribes:
(1) The Amendment protects an “individual” right—i.e., one that is separately possessed, and may be separately enforced, by each person on whom it is conferred. See, e.g., ante, at 22 (opinion of the Court); ante, at 1 (Stevens, J., dissenting).
(2) As evidenced by its preamble, the Amendment was adopted “with obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of [militia] forces.” United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, 178 (1939) ; see ante, at 26 (opinion of the Court); ante, at 1 (Stevens, J., dissenting).
(3) The Amendment “must be interpreted and applied with that end in view.” Miller, supra, at 178.
(4) The right protected by the Second Amendment is not absolute, but instead is subject to government regulation. See Robertson v. Baldwin, 165 U. S. 275, 281–282 (1897) ; ante, at 22, 54 (opinion of the Court)."

Justice Breyer, with whom Justice Stevens, Justice Souter, and Justice Ginsburg join, dissenting. [June 26, 2008]


Of course, its purpose, or primary purpose as Breyer notes, is the continuation of the Militias. Nothing about recognizing the security of an individual right seems to contradict that. It is the securing of an individual right for self-defense purposes that is argued.

Breyer basic opinions included for information sake:
"The majority’s conclusion [in Heller] is wrong for two independent reasons. The first reason is that set forth by Justice Stevens—namely, that the Second Amendment protects militia-related, not self-defense-related, interests. These two interests are sometimes intertwined. To assure 18th-century citizens that they could keep arms for militia purposes would necessarily have allowed them to keep arms that they could have used for self-defense as well. But self-defense alone, detached from any militia-related objective, is not the Amendment’s concern....
The second independent reason is that the protection the Amendment provides is not absolute. The Amendment permits government to regulate the interests that it serves."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZD1.html

I know you are all over this stuff, just curious about your take on "individual".

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I think one of those... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #1
Some would have to complete their sentences first. N/T beevul Feb 2016 #21
There will always be those who are... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #22
Thus no nominee who is not an "individual right" advocate will have a chance at approval. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #2
That will be the Republican position, no doubt. stone space Feb 2016 #3
Why would the GOP come here? GGJohn Feb 2016 #4
Oh, come on! We've even had Zimmerman supporters come here. stone space Feb 2016 #5
Zimmerman supporters? GGJohn Feb 2016 #6
Are personal insults really necessary here? stone space Feb 2016 #9
A fact is not a personal insult. GGJohn Feb 2016 #10
More personal insults??? Seriously??? Why??? stone space Feb 2016 #11
Why do you always make yourself out to be the victim? eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #12
Why did you introduce personal insults into this thread? stone space Feb 2016 #14
See, there you go again, GGJohn Feb 2016 #15
Now you are just trolling. stone space Feb 2016 #16
... GGJohn Feb 2016 #17
No personal insults... Puha Ekapi Feb 2016 #18
same here, I see facts Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #20
It's a shtick, seen early & often. Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #31
I am sure you will be able to supply links Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #8
so are you calling du members Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #7
That was precisely my point. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #13
Was his dissent in Maryland v King "bullshit" as well? Marengo Feb 2016 #19
That will be the position of any individual who values their rights. beevul Feb 2016 #24
Not sure how his death calls anything TeddyR Feb 2016 #23
Really? Where, exactly, does the Second Amendment mention or even allude to a flamin lib Feb 2016 #25
where does it say there isn't? gejohnston Feb 2016 #26
Are you against self defense? beevul Feb 2016 #27
ReallY???? Surf Fishing Guru Feb 2016 #28
I will ask again, flamin lib Feb 2016 #30
You are starting from an invalid foundation Surf Fishing Guru Feb 2016 #32
That is precisely what I said. Scalia found something in the Second Amendment that isn't there. flamin lib Feb 2016 #33
militia, clear & unequivocal in 1939 miller jimmy the one Feb 2016 #35
Hey jimmmy! I don't think there is doubt about the 2nd securing an individual right... jmg257 Feb 2016 #36
little problem with militia centric pov jimmy the one Feb 2016 #37
Ha - that is why I included points 2-4 - NO doubt what he was saying! nt jmg257 Feb 2016 #38
Do you deny a right to self-defense? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #34
Can't tell the difference between babies and bathwater, huh? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #29
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