Gun Control & RKBA

CompanyFirstSergeant

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12. Three important points...

Reply to tortoise1956 (Original post)

Sat Apr 2, 2016, 11:02 AM

Apr 2016

1A. Law Officers in our society are civilians. They don't like to use the term, but they are nonetheless. The only non-civilians in American society are sworn military personnel, and they are rarely (there are exceptions) allowed to carry firearms on US soil.

1B. Therefore any disarmament of US civilians, any restrictions on type of weapon, ammunition capacity, rate of fire, etc. must equally apply to law enforcement.

2A. The Supreme Court has ruled that law enforcement is not responsible to come to the aid of any individual person in society, that an officer's sidearm is primarily for personal defense.

2B. Therefore any firearm in common possession by law officers (who are civilians) should be available to the general civilian population, who hold equal status to law officers.

3A. Collective Rights argument - still supports private ownership, in that if a body of civilians are to respond to a call to arms, the arms have to be trained with, well maintained and available for use.

3B. In other words, they have to be somewhere, and my house is a great place to start storing them.

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2A: Group or individual right? [View all] tortoise1956 Apr 2016 OP

How interesting. SheilaT Apr 2016 #1

It seems a foregone conclusion that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #2

My education in political theory pretty much held that the B.O.R.'s rights... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #13

I reject the notions of collective and/or individual so-called "rights" to guns. stone space Apr 2016 #3

But can you support such an assertion... theatre goon Apr 2016 #4

At my age, I offer mostly moral support for those actively struggling against the tools of violence. stone space Apr 2016 #6

So, the answer is no. theatre goon Apr 2016 #8

At my age... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #17

In other words, you do nothing of substance to advance your cause of gun control Lurks Often Apr 2016 #18

Au Contraire! DonP Apr 2016 #19

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I'm amused by the near complete lack of support that one receives Lurks Often Apr 2016 #21

So, you you believe... Puha Ekapi Apr 2016 #7

What part of "I reject the notion" did you not understand? stone space Apr 2016 #9

Ok, I just wanted to see... Puha Ekapi Apr 2016 #10

Perhaps the confusion originates in the fact that you are unable to answer questions... Marengo Apr 2016 #29

re: "Guns are not a "right"." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #11

I used the expression "negative" in regard government's restrictions and implied duties. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #14

Always has been an individual, always should be. ileus Apr 2016 #5

Three important points... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #12

It became murky when the representatives recreated the Miltias into the National Guard. jmg257 Apr 2016 #15

The Militia and the National Guard are not one and the same... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #16

UNorganized Militia is a JOKE jimmy the one Apr 2016 #25

I take it... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #28

feel good unorganized militia, mostly untrained armed rabble jimmy the one Apr 2016 #31

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All of which is entirely irrelevant to the simple fact that it exists. Marengo Apr 2016 #30

Linguistically, clearly individual. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #22

Let's say for a moment... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #24

What good are rights not granted to the individual??? ileus Apr 2016 #23

Well - rights SECURED for the individual...I fixed it! :) nt jmg257 Apr 2016 #27

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such misconstruction of what's right before your eyes jimmy the one Apr 2016 #32

Let's take these one at a time tortoise1956 Apr 2016 #37

raccoons are scavengers discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #38

re: "Group or individual right?" discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #33

Very obviously individual, of course. N/T beevul Apr 2016 #34