Gun Control & RKBA

benEzra

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3. So self-defense doesn't "count" if the attacker doesn't die.

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:31 AM

Apr 2016

In spite of the fact that in a defensive use, you hopefully (and usually) don't have to shoot at all, and if you do, you are shooting *only* to stop, not to kill. The *only* objective is to stop the ongoing lethal attack.

My own father had a save with a lawfully carried gun in the Croatan National Forest when I was a child. No shots fired; his assailants looked at the gun, backed off, and left. I've had coworkers who had "deterrent" uses, and one supervisor who was present when a homeowner shot a home invader, who I believe survived. By your metric, none of that constitutes "defensive use".

What your chart does suggest is that you should be focusing on getting guns out of the hands of *criminals*, not on oppressing the civil liberties of the lawful and responsible.

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Guns Are Rarely Used in Self-Defense [View all] SecularMotion Apr 2016 OP

How come gun control advocates only count homicides as justifiable? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #1

Because there are so few of them discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #40

Some pretty serious desperation is showing lately... theatre goon Apr 2016 #2

Hey Goon, which theatre is yours, the one in Colorado or the one in Louisiana? nt flamin lib Apr 2016 #10

You're stooping ... Straw Man Apr 2016 #11

I asked Goon, how 'bout you let him respond? nt flamin lib Apr 2016 #13

Oh, you mean it wasn't rhetorical? Straw Man Apr 2016 #15

Oh, I think Straw Man handled it quite well. theatre goon Apr 2016 #25

Yes, another rhetorical pumble that controllers use. All the time. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #22

So self-defense doesn't "count" if the attacker doesn't die. benEzra Apr 2016 #3

Yes, some of these cats are a bloody lot, I must say. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #26

Well... beevul Apr 2016 #33

The statistic is bogus. Jerry442 Apr 2016 #4

You mean, hearing the sound of a hammer cocking or a slide being racked? krispos42 Apr 2016 #14

Magic. Straw Man Apr 2016 #16

You have got to keep up the myth of guns for self defense because fasttense Apr 2016 #5

Do you have a linkable source for this? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #8

Actually, I think multiple purchases by a gun-owner may be explained more prosaically... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #28

Hold it, hold it... jmg257 Apr 2016 #6

Those people were murdered in their sleep. Nitram Apr 2016 #7

Could you expound on your comments? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #9

People shot to death in their beds. Nitram Apr 2016 #24

The OP refers to 2 distinct groups: Those unlawfully murdered and those who Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #32

I'm refering to the introduction to the OP where the sheriff implied if the people murdered Nitram Apr 2016 #34

Thank-you for taking the time to answer my questions. Sorry if I was a pest. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #39

Or better yet ... Straw Man Apr 2016 #17

I'm not in favor of capital punishment for growing pot.- Nitram Apr 2016 #23

Me neither... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #29

In rural areas? Really? Nitram Apr 2016 #30

Why, yes, many smoke doobies in rural areas. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #35

Eleanor, we're talking about dog ownership, not doobies. Nitram Apr 2016 #36

It doesn't mutt-er to me! Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #37

Nor am I. Straw Man Apr 2016 #31

Then criminal gun use is rare, too. krispos42 Apr 2016 #12

illegitimate DGUs, legitimatized jimmy the one Apr 2016 #18

Does the shooting of Mr. Smith invalidate all DGUs? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #19

You were supposed to be dazzled by sheer weight of verbiage, not ask inconvenient questions friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #38

or maybe they are sarisataka Apr 2016 #20

It only takes once... ileus Apr 2016 #27