I'm afraid.

[Straw Man]

40. Red herrings and false premises.

Divine my intention? I made it clear now what my intention was so no divining necessary.

Actually, you still haven't. You said this:

most of the rest of the world has lower murder rates...

When I disproved that, you said this:

Oh and yes you're right I was quoting the gun violence rate, not the gun homicide rate... For gun homicides, when you compare it to non 2nd and 3rd world countries the US is the worst. Easily.

But you weren't citing the gun violence rate; you were citing the overall homicide rate. And that's the really important one. Dead is dead, regardless of means.

So what are you actually trying to say?

There's never a moment when a pro-gun person says "hang on, this thing that I'm advocatibg for is at least partially responsible for 30k deaths in my country each year; there must be a better way".

If there were no guns, no one would be killed by a gun. That's a meaningless truism. The reality is that nothing has been proposed that will realistically have an impact on that 3K until and unless the underlying causes of homicide and suicide are addressed. And I'll give you a hint: the answer isn't "Because gunz."

So let's hear your proposals.