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gejohnston

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12. SYG simply means no duty to retreat
Thu Mar 16, 2017, 09:55 PM
Mar 2017

when you safely can. Other than that, there is no difference from duty to retreat. That is simply the standard. There is no claiming "SYG", just the legal standard of the jurisdiction. IOW, SYG is relevant only when the defender can safely retreat and chooses not to. I watched the entire Zimmerman trial. The outcome would have been the same even under duty to retreat. Forensics and eye witnesses proved that Martin was sitting on Zimmerman pounding his head on the sidewalk and punching him in the face.
Most states are SYG as is the federal level, way before Florida put it in statute. Most of them are common law, jury instructions, but still SYG.
One thing I learned about the case, never believe the media or partisans. Go to the primary source and draw your own conclusions.
This guy explains it very well. A few things I disagree with him on. I don't know how a working class mixed race Hispanic renting a house in a failing development in a high crime area is "privileged", but I frankly think intersectionality and postmodernism is illiberal horse shit that the party needs to repudiate before being spanked at the polls again.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/7/17/1224515/-5-Myths-about-Stand-Your-Ground-Debunked

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States that don't have stand your ground louis-t Mar 2017 #1
"Just another excuse to murder people." Who has been murdered, and when? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2017 #2
Pretty hard to determine when one of the victims/perps louis-t Mar 2017 #3
Well then, do you have at least one example of a shooting you found questionable? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2017 #4
Zimmerman considered it but his attorneys talked him out of it. louis-t Mar 2017 #5
no there isn't gejohnston Mar 2017 #13
It is not an honest question. louis-t Mar 2017 #16
self defense is not a crime gejohnston Mar 2017 #18
You people are delusional. louis-t Mar 2017 #19
not at all gejohnston Mar 2017 #20
There's a lot of material on this. louis-t Mar 2017 #6
SYG simply means no duty to retreat gejohnston Mar 2017 #12
And by the way, a lot of these cases never go to trial. louis-t Mar 2017 #7
"(Y)ou just have to look for it." No, I don't- as it was *your* claim to prove, not mine. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2017 #8
Uh, "they're going to stop in 5 feet and jump out with a gun" louis-t Mar 2017 #9
No, that was held to be self-defense, which applied *before* SYG in Louisiana friendly_iconoclast Mar 2017 #11
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2017 #10
Stand your ground wasn't intended to reduce violent crime. pablo_marmol Mar 2017 #14
key syg findings wrt firearms jimmy the one Mar 2017 #15
Let's distinguish between "increases in homicide by firearm" louis-t Mar 2017 #17
Homicide doesn't necessarily indicate crime. There are many homicides that are not criminal. Blue_Warrior Mar 2017 #21
Homicide: discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2017 #22
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