Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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12. Arms and rights.

Sat Apr 8, 2017, 02:12 PM

Apr 2017

Arms in the hands of private citizens

Are most frequently used to support oppressive government, not to fight against it.

Taking a nice long look at the historical record, I would say that the statement above is nonsense. If you have evidence to the contrary, would you please provide it?

Unfortunately the majority of activist gun owners don't support the right to chose, the right to marry whoever you want, and so on.

Maybe so, but I'd like to see some empirical data on that. In any case, who cares? I certainly don't. I support all those rights. If somebody else want to practice selective-rights hypocrisy, it has nothing to do with my choices.

Who's side do you think they will take between conservative oppressive government and the right of minorities?

If it's the right of minorities to keep and bear arms, I would say the latter. Other rights involve political stances that are irrelevant to this argument.

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how many of you CA residents plan to register your "assault rifles" [View all] wincest Apr 2017 OP

So the government still uses muskets? angstlessk Apr 2017 #1

"1. So the government still uses muskets?" wincest Apr 2017 #2

Ever hear of DRONES with WEAPONS? angstlessk Apr 2017 #3

Ever hear of snipers? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #6

So you think citizens can take on the government angstlessk Apr 2017 #7

I think history speaks for itself discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #9

A few rifles is all it takes to defeat the other guys with rifles guarding the big things that Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #51

Ever hear of AFGHANISTAN, as of three weeks ago? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2017 #25

And......crickets.. nt pkdu Apr 2017 #53

Arms in the hands of private citizens Buzz cook Apr 2017 #4

don't care wincest Apr 2017 #5

Arms and rights. Straw Man Apr 2017 #12

Jim Crow was inforced by private citizens Buzz cook Apr 2017 #30

Jim Crow was enforced by racist police departments. Straw Man Apr 2017 #35

The right to bear arms is tits on a bore. Buzz cook Apr 2017 #46

Some of your responses are rather ahistorical, and deserve a fisking friendly_iconoclast Apr 2017 #55

Fisking Buzz cook Apr 2017 #60

Specifically, there is no indication that the Framers of the Amendment gejohnston Apr 2017 #61

Yup gun control has a racist aspect and Buzz cook Apr 2017 #74

Perhaps you meant "boar" -- or was that a pun? Straw Man Apr 2017 #56

Hey thanks for implying that I was a racist Buzz cook Apr 2017 #59

You made your bed. Straw Man Apr 2017 #62

You're showing your ignorance. Buzz cook Apr 2017 #73

Of what? Straw Man Apr 2017 #75

Well I guess then you're Buzz cook Apr 2017 #77

Silly. Straw Man Apr 2017 #78

The reek of weekend warrior is in the air. It must be spring. Squinch Apr 2017 #8

"reek" wincest Apr 2017 #11

So, Eko Apr 2017 #10

You are allowed to have M 249s sarisataka Apr 2017 #13

What a travesty Eko Apr 2017 #14

I don't have any issues sarisataka Apr 2017 #15

So, Eko Apr 2017 #17

It says you have the right to bear arms sarisataka Apr 2017 #18

The infantry Eko Apr 2017 #20

I have already said sarisataka Apr 2017 #21

Yes. Eko Apr 2017 #22

"If" sarisataka Apr 2017 #31

Eh, Eko Apr 2017 #36

I would disagree sarisataka Apr 2017 #39

Thanks!! Eko Apr 2017 #41

Not exactly. needledriver Apr 2017 #47

That statistic comes from a survey. Eko Apr 2017 #48

You forgot to quote this paragraph. needledriver Apr 2017 #49

True, Eko Apr 2017 #50

W/regard to Kleck's methodology: pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #57

The CDC that Democrats hold in such high esteem refutes Hemenway pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #58

Uh huh. Eko Apr 2017 #63

Why quote from some WaPo employee gejohnston Apr 2017 #64

Wrong. pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #68

Pablo, he must have missed the 500+ post re: Okie self defense in GD. nt yagotme Apr 2017 #71

* pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #79

Excuse the intrusion discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #23

No one has said "each". Eko Apr 2017 #24

The 2A/RKBA has been acknowledged as an "individual" right discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #26

It just seems quite odd. Eko Apr 2017 #29

re: "Would that really be where voting is a right?" agreed sort of discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #33

True. Eko Apr 2017 #37

your god damn right wincest Apr 2017 #16

Why even argue with eko Alea Apr 2017 #19

As a history nerd, I have to say muskets were better weapons for an army. That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #27

Somewhat true. Straw Man Apr 2017 #45

For those of us not in CA, what happens to you HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2017 #28

Do you even have to ask haha Alea Apr 2017 #34

I would, but I don't own any firearms still_one Apr 2017 #32

You could buy one ... Straw Man Apr 2017 #38

hmmmm, Is it required by law that I have to buy a firearm? still_one Apr 2017 #40

Ummmm, ... Straw Man Apr 2017 #42

whew........ Thanks still_one Apr 2017 #43

You're welcome! Straw Man Apr 2017 #44

I continue to wonder why grown men still play 'cowboys & Indians' fantasy. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #52

No need to be sexist. Women play, too. yagotme Apr 2017 #67

Only if we can register A1 Tanks and RPGs too , and maybe Nukes? nt pkdu Apr 2017 #54

You can gejohnston Apr 2017 #65

You can buy all the armored vehicles you can afford. However, if you want to have yagotme Apr 2017 #66

IIRC, gejohnston Apr 2017 #69

If that was the case then, yagotme Apr 2017 #70

Demilling the receivers wasn't what I was thinking of gejohnston Apr 2017 #72

Smaller weapons, cut receivers. yagotme Apr 2017 #76