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Buzz cook

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46. The right to bear arms is tits on a bore.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 11:22 PM
Apr 2017

To call it equal with the other right is laughable.

Yes oppressive government in the Jim Crow South was oppressive. Saying that doesn't eliminate the actions of private citizens.
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/negroeswithguns/rob.html

The Ku Klux Klan was a powerful and feared force in Monroe, and the community where Williams grew up experienced regular brutalization at the hands of whites.

The police and the Klan worked hand in hand.

https://boomcalifornia.com/2013/07/23/witness-to-a-hanging/
The American tradition of lynching transcended the white-black milieu of the Deep South. Two social historians, William Carrigan and Clive Webb, have made a strong documentary case that the “lynching rate” for Mexican-Americans was comparable to that for African Americans.3 California led the way in anti-Mexican and anti-Chinese vigilantism. According to legend, Joaquín Murrieta—one of the great figures in Gold Rush and Chicano history—chose his second career in banditry in response to the hanging of his half brother. Even after the placer gold petered out, Californians of Mexican descent, Californios—often called “greasers,” a word on a par with “niggers”—continued to be lynched at a rate wildly disproportionate to their overall population. (As for Indians, settlers were more likely to murder them without any pretense of legality).


As I said people with guns tend to support oppressive government.

Partisans during time of war rarely if ever use private firearms. The French resistance depended on captured arms and supplies from the allies. The same is true of partisans such as Tito being supplied by the Soviet Union.

Just how much utility did armed African Americans have? Besides getting open carry laws changed in California they played into the hands of racist propaganda that still lives today. Witness the rights reaction to a member of the Panthers being near a polling place.

The end of the 20th century was the greatest revolutionary period in history. The fall of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact happened with a populace that didn't own private firearms, with very very few exceptions.

The largest revolution in history was led by a little man wearing a diaper whilst preaching non-violence.

History is not on your side here.

History also shows us that successful revolutions tend to have some governmental ideal and or a structure that the revolution is subservient to. The Colonial committees of correspondence, Sons of Liberty, local governments and finally the Continental Congress are prime examples of that. The African national congress, is a successful example, the Free French, and other governments in exile during WWII are also example. Even when that ideal fails during or after the revolution as with the French Estates General, the structure of government is still there.

(Just as an aside the British marched on Concord and Lexington to seize weapons and powder controlled by local government, not those owned by private citizens. Even when the British did seize weapons owned by the public as they did in Boston, it had no effect of the revolutionaries ability to wage war.)

Would you prefer that the armed groups supporting oppression go unopposed?

This is a silly question. It's like when conservatives used to ask if the world was a better place with Saddam Hussein out of it.
It presumes that there is only a binary choice.
King and Gandhi stood up to oppressive government without firearms, Boris Yeltsin drunkenly stood in front of a tank. They won their battles, though the wars sill continue.

We live in a nation that is still partly democratic. As such we have lots of options to act on without playing Red Dawn.

I don't think the right to bear arms is a right of the individual. Imo Heller was wrongly decided just as Citizens United was.

I also think that confusing the philosophical right to revolution with the civil ability to own firearms is just silly.

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So the government still uses muskets? angstlessk Apr 2017 #1
"1. So the government still uses muskets?" wincest Apr 2017 #2
Ever hear of DRONES with WEAPONS? angstlessk Apr 2017 #3
Ever hear of snipers? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #6
So you think citizens can take on the government angstlessk Apr 2017 #7
I think history speaks for itself discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #9
A few rifles is all it takes to defeat the other guys with rifles guarding the big things that Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #51
Ever hear of AFGHANISTAN, as of three weeks ago? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2017 #25
And......crickets.. nt pkdu Apr 2017 #53
Arms in the hands of private citizens Buzz cook Apr 2017 #4
don't care wincest Apr 2017 #5
Arms and rights. Straw Man Apr 2017 #12
Jim Crow was inforced by private citizens Buzz cook Apr 2017 #30
Jim Crow was enforced by racist police departments. Straw Man Apr 2017 #35
The right to bear arms is tits on a bore. Buzz cook Apr 2017 #46
Some of your responses are rather ahistorical, and deserve a fisking friendly_iconoclast Apr 2017 #55
Fisking Buzz cook Apr 2017 #60
Specifically, there is no indication that the Framers of the Amendment gejohnston Apr 2017 #61
Yup gun control has a racist aspect and Buzz cook Apr 2017 #74
Perhaps you meant "boar" -- or was that a pun? Straw Man Apr 2017 #56
Hey thanks for implying that I was a racist Buzz cook Apr 2017 #59
You made your bed. Straw Man Apr 2017 #62
You're showing your ignorance. Buzz cook Apr 2017 #73
Of what? Straw Man Apr 2017 #75
Well I guess then you're Buzz cook Apr 2017 #77
Silly. Straw Man Apr 2017 #78
The reek of weekend warrior is in the air. It must be spring. Squinch Apr 2017 #8
"reek" wincest Apr 2017 #11
So, Eko Apr 2017 #10
You are allowed to have M 249s sarisataka Apr 2017 #13
What a travesty Eko Apr 2017 #14
I don't have any issues sarisataka Apr 2017 #15
So, Eko Apr 2017 #17
It says you have the right to bear arms sarisataka Apr 2017 #18
The infantry Eko Apr 2017 #20
I have already said sarisataka Apr 2017 #21
Yes. Eko Apr 2017 #22
"If" sarisataka Apr 2017 #31
Eh, Eko Apr 2017 #36
I would disagree sarisataka Apr 2017 #39
Thanks!! Eko Apr 2017 #41
Not exactly. needledriver Apr 2017 #47
That statistic comes from a survey. Eko Apr 2017 #48
You forgot to quote this paragraph. needledriver Apr 2017 #49
True, Eko Apr 2017 #50
W/regard to Kleck's methodology: pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #57
The CDC that Democrats hold in such high esteem refutes Hemenway pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #58
Uh huh. Eko Apr 2017 #63
Why quote from some WaPo employee gejohnston Apr 2017 #64
Wrong. pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #68
Pablo, he must have missed the 500+ post re: Okie self defense in GD. nt yagotme Apr 2017 #71
* pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #79
Excuse the intrusion discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #23
No one has said "each". Eko Apr 2017 #24
The 2A/RKBA has been acknowledged as an "individual" right discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #26
It just seems quite odd. Eko Apr 2017 #29
re: "Would that really be where voting is a right?" agreed sort of discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #33
True. Eko Apr 2017 #37
your god damn right wincest Apr 2017 #16
Why even argue with eko Alea Apr 2017 #19
As a history nerd, I have to say muskets were better weapons for an army. That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #27
Somewhat true. Straw Man Apr 2017 #45
For those of us not in CA, what happens to you HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2017 #28
Do you even have to ask haha Alea Apr 2017 #34
I would, but I don't own any firearms still_one Apr 2017 #32
You could buy one ... Straw Man Apr 2017 #38
hmmmm, Is it required by law that I have to buy a firearm? still_one Apr 2017 #40
Ummmm, ... Straw Man Apr 2017 #42
whew........ Thanks still_one Apr 2017 #43
You're welcome! Straw Man Apr 2017 #44
I continue to wonder why grown men still play 'cowboys & Indians' fantasy. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #52
No need to be sexist. Women play, too. yagotme Apr 2017 #67
Only if we can register A1 Tanks and RPGs too , and maybe Nukes? nt pkdu Apr 2017 #54
You can gejohnston Apr 2017 #65
You can buy all the armored vehicles you can afford. However, if you want to have yagotme Apr 2017 #66
IIRC, gejohnston Apr 2017 #69
If that was the case then, yagotme Apr 2017 #70
Demilling the receivers wasn't what I was thinking of gejohnston Apr 2017 #72
Smaller weapons, cut receivers. yagotme Apr 2017 #76
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