2016 Postmortem

jake335544

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68. The Clinton tech-debt boom, disguised the "welfare reform" lie from laypeople

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:44 PM

Dec 2016

But people who actually read the bill, including most congressional Democrats saw it was a lie before the bust.

Putting something like a national guaranteed jobs program while eliminating the laws that trap people on welfare from having jobs would have "gotten rid of welfare as we know it". But the Kasich Bill Clinton signed just assumed jobs would always be there and put Darwinian time restrictions on benefits.

After Clinton's tech-debt boom went bust, we saw the effect that this "workfare" had in mind. Taking people off the welfare rolls. Most congressional Democrats at the time predicted it would take people off the welfare rolls who would need it in a bad economy and that's why most congressional Democrats voted against it. The boom didn't blind them.

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When I was a "millennial," I never expected candidates to "inspire" me [View all] EffieBlack Dec 2016 OP

Same here, and I wanted to vote more than I wanted a driver's license. CBHagman Dec 2016 #1

So, it's not just me? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #2

Of course not. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #31

I made a special trip to downtown Chicago to register. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #36

Yes, exactly. DavidDvorkin Dec 2016 #3

Not all young people think like that, but madaboutharry Dec 2016 #4

Obviously, you were never a millennial. aikoaiko Dec 2016 #5

but when it comes to voTing it's not much different. young people always have low turnout JI7 Dec 2016 #8

Sure. That's true, but the solution motivating millennials to vote may lie in their perspective aikoaiko Dec 2016 #10

they will vote more with age as other generations have done JI7 Dec 2016 #13

Sure, but who will they vote for with the "earn my vote" mindset aikoaiko Dec 2016 #16

demographics include race gender and many things JI7 Dec 2016 #19

I can assure you that my cohort (I'm the same age marybourg Dec 2016 #101

I have twins who Chiquitita Dec 2016 #6

i always ask about how they felt for candidates of other offices JI7 Dec 2016 #7

In defense of millennials... RealityChik Dec 2016 #9

If Millenials had their way Hillary Clinton would be President JonLP24 Dec 2016 #11

Oh no you don't! murielm99 Dec 2016 #17

There was nothing pie in the sky about Bernie JonLP24 Dec 2016 #18

Where did I mention Bernie? murielm99 Dec 2016 #21

What did you mean by? JonLP24 Dec 2016 #22

I'm sensitive, too. murielm99 Dec 2016 #23

Why are you telling me to go away? JonLP24 Dec 2016 #24

pie in the sky mush...ashamed. Gross. JCanete Dec 2016 #95

Unfortunately, as a group their turnout was low. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #25

As a group most people older than them voted for Trump JonLP24 Dec 2016 #30

Who's scapegoating? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #49

This is who... progressoid Dec 2016 #77

Whoosh! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #79

Right. Because your OP has nothing to do with blaming millennials. progressoid Dec 2016 #82

these axes aren't going to grind themselves, jack! Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #100

And when you were that age, most people your age DIDN'T vote. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #12

Inspiration is the difference between you showing up at the polls, or.. killbotfactory Dec 2016 #14

I stayed off people's grass, too, back when I was that age, QC Dec 2016 #15

Lmao... Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #78

Millenials inherited the worst recession since jake335544 Dec 2016 #20

People in the 60s grew up with the threat of nuclear war LisaM Dec 2016 #26

Younger generations still grow up with threat of nuclear war. Growing up in the cold war era, Exilednight Dec 2016 #45

In case you weren't paying attention, Obama-Clinton policies have been drumming up a new cold war jake335544 Dec 2016 #50

I empathize with millenials' struggles... YvonneCa Dec 2016 #90

Every generation believes they have harder lives and greater challenges than any previous generation EffieBlack Dec 2016 #54

Our party does quite a bit for smart kids that's for sure... jake335544 Dec 2016 #61

And every generation grows up to be cranky, pissy complainers about the younger folks. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #94

Actually, the closest we came to nuclear war after the cuban missile crisis was during the 80s Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #93

One would think the idea of having a future would be exciting enough. I guess not. LisaL Dec 2016 #27

The idea of having a few million in my bank account is exciting, but I don't run out and buy lottery Exilednight Dec 2016 #46

This "inspired" thing is a talking point of the M$M talking idiots. What really produces celebrity Bill USA Dec 2016 #28

I am a millennial and you are 100% right. nycbos Dec 2016 #29

As a voter, I never expected a candidate to agree with me 100% either tammywammy Dec 2016 #32

i agree. i don't understand all this DesertFlower Dec 2016 #33

Exactly. ananda Dec 2016 #34

I don't know if that is unique to millenials Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #35

I didn't either, it would never have entered my mind. Ridiculous. betsuni Dec 2016 #37

Thank you, and it's not just "millennials" that spew that "I need to be inspired" crap. GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #38

exactly they aren't running to be your friend treestar Dec 2016 #44

Since 1960, voter turn out has been steadily dropping. jman0war Dec 2016 #39

I have mixed feelings on this. Amimnoch Dec 2016 #40

That's a false media narrative right up there with red vs blue states.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #41

It's not the voters portlander23 Dec 2016 #42

Me too I remember saying the same treestar Dec 2016 #43

It's a different time.. JHan Dec 2016 #47

Yeah, it's not like the Greatest Generation had an FDR to inspire, or Boomers a JFK. Exilednight Dec 2016 #48

Or even a Bill Clinton for that matter... vi5 Dec 2016 #53

Gutting welfare and expanding the prison state is so inspiring /sarcasm jake335544 Dec 2016 #64

Right. That explains why Bill Clinton never won any major elections. DanTex Dec 2016 #67

The Clinton tech-debt boom, disguised the "welfare reform" lie from laypeople jake335544 Dec 2016 #68

I get it. When a Clinton loses, it's her fault. When a Clinton wins, it's other factors. DanTex Dec 2016 #70

We dodn't know rhat at the time.... vi5 Dec 2016 #73

And in the meantime, they had Eisenhower and Nixon and Reagan and Bush EffieBlack Dec 2016 #57

Not really. Look at the opponents of Nixon, Reagan and Bush. Exilednight Dec 2016 #60

Hillary inspired millions of people EffieBlack Dec 2016 #63

Trump inspired millions. Reagan inspired millions, Exilednight Dec 2016 #66

And Hillary inspired millions. Several million more than Trump did. EffieBlack Dec 2016 #69

But not as many as Obama and not enough to win an election. Exilednight Dec 2016 #71

They won't think the world revolves around them when the next war comes. Cattledog Dec 2016 #51

We're currently fighting three wars. They're the only generation to the mainland attacked. Exilednight Dec 2016 #56

Why are millennials more obligated to vote for a particular candidate? vi5 Dec 2016 #52

older non white people did vote for her. and Obama did not win young white voters JI7 Dec 2016 #58

I didn't say older non white people. vi5 Dec 2016 #72

they didn't vote for her because she supported mothers of innocent black people killed JI7 Dec 2016 #74

Their choice: align with a diverse group of voters to support a woman who was the most qualified EffieBlack Dec 2016 #80

And I definitely get all of that..... vi5 Dec 2016 #83

What do those people have in common with Donald Trump? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #86

And again...all of that is well and good and true... vi5 Dec 2016 #87

Milleneals are a very different generation. azmom Dec 2016 #55

I was upset when Jimmy Carter instituted Draft Registration to fight the Afghanistan War. stone space Dec 2016 #59

Younger voters are less mature and sophisticated about the political geek tragedy Dec 2016 #62

I voted for the Democrat mcar Dec 2016 #65

I've Been Wondering RobinA Dec 2016 #75

OFFS. progressoid Dec 2016 #76

I voted when I was young because my parents marlakay Dec 2016 #81

Exactly! MineralMan Dec 2016 #84

It's not just millennials; it's everyone with that mindset. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #85

I was too young to vote for him but I remember this guy named John F. Kennedy. Seshat Dec 2016 #88

And Hillary inspired millions, with more than 65 million voting for her. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #98

I agree. That's why this thread is so silly. Seshat Dec 2016 #102

Welcome to DU, Seshat! n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #104

Thanks. Seshat Dec 2016 #106

My generation must be made to feel oh so SPECIAL bravenak Dec 2016 #89

I know you're a thoughtful and smart member of this community, so if we dig deeper than the Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #92

I think you are right bravenak Dec 2016 #107

You weren't a Millennial. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #91

Duh - that's why I put it in quotes ... EffieBlack Dec 2016 #96

well, okay then. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #97

It's all new to everybody, because it's all bullshit TransitJohn Dec 2016 #99

as an rely politics fan, i knew dukakis was popp. but so was GHWB. pansypoo53219 Dec 2016 #103

Millenials voted for Clinton NobodyHere Dec 2016 #105

Same here Gothmog Dec 2016 #108

I sure feared Reagan, so I stood in a really long line LeftInTX Dec 2016 #109

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #110

+1,000 AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #111

Trump's swift kick in their asses will get them inspired enough. oasis Dec 2016 #112

Millennial here! ProgressIsLeft Dec 2016 #113

... LexVegas Dec 2016 #114

Commercial branding has replaced policy analysis for far too many people. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #115