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JCanete

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40. But you can't say that when it counts, those lauded journalistic institutions haven't let us down.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:47 AM
Dec 2016

Focusing on Trump's failings and promoting Clinton as a good choice, does not equate to good journalism by the way. It is at least sane journalism and editorial, I'll give it that, but it doesn't automatically make the paper's overall contributions to public awareness excellent.

Good journalism would be giving the proper attention to the things that ail us, like hey, corporate media ownership. Also, calling "fantasy" on Sanders platforms, you will be surprised to learn, comes across to me as your standard corporate take-down. I know that calls into question whether I would accept any criticism of Sanders platforms from any source. I would. I actually think they are worth serious discussion ...serious discussion...not dismissal out of hand...which has tended to be the journalism I've seen from papers like WaPo. The lack of depth and implicit biases in the framing has not exactly renewed my faith in the media's role as our watchdog. And frankly, any time the person or institution promoting something has a vested interest in that thing, (granted this is most of the time) we should probably pause and give that work extra scrutiny to pinpoint the unexamined assumptions and blindspots..those statements that are proffered off like "everybody knows blah blah blah" without a hint of irony.

And lets not forget, the New York Times, as one shining example of a "truly independent" fourth estate, helped to sell us the Iraq War. An absolute boondoggle, and the evidence was there to report on.

As to whether or not profits or ratings are important, news used to be a public service that if I'm not mistaken, networks had to provide, as loss-leaders, not profit-makers. NOTHING about adding profit into the equation is good for journalism, because the biggest profit an institution can make is through advertisers. These advertisers may be buying more than product exposure. Sometimes they're just buying a friend in the media. as far as it goes, I wonder how often CNN goes after GE or Comcast in its stories, or MSNBC after Time Warner, or Disney, or anybody else. I wonder what their anti-monopolization coverage looks like. Nobody in their right minds would start a blood-bath with each other. Its not like all these places are Fox and literally get their marching orders, but what producers are promoted, and what those producers and editors, and by extension their bosses want, is not just reflected in who they hire to anchor their shows and write their columns, but what they expect of those people. Some may have more rope than others because they have a name for themselves, but more often than not, they already fit the mold enough anyway.

The fact that these same institutions can excuse their lazy-ass reporting and diminishing journalistic departments on needing to grab the viewers with pop-culture, sensationalism and human interest stories does not make the profit motive any more convincing as a generator of good product. Its just a convenient scapegoat they point to any time somebody calls them out for the horrible job they do at the thing they pretend to be. And for that horrible job, their bottom line, and more importantly, the bottom line of their parent company, still gets met. And lets face it, the actual scandals are way better than the ones they peddle. They are far more juicy, but the media barely touches them. It's not because they don't get traction. It's just not. The media determines in large part, what gets traction. People clearly don't make up their own minds about what's important in this nation. They let somebody tell them. How many times have you heard about Bengazi or the emails from people you know? Well, the media kind of decided where to focus.

As to trade deals, there are good things in them no doubt. I got the impression Sanders took issue with the things that were not good, and asserted that as written, they did more harm than good. As somebody who believes that anything that transfers more wealth to the top than it does to people at the bottom(and where the hell does it come from anyway--it has to come from somewhere) is ultimately not in our best interest as a nation or world, I'm inclined to agree. The pie is not expanding. It isn't dark energy. It has a direct correlation to physical resources, whether they be people, land area, sea, animal life, minerals, etc. Exploiting more out of the earth or getting more efficient with those resources, doesn't alter that fact. If more is going to the top, even if it came from what was previously untapped, less remains for the rest of this dramatically increasing world population going forward, and more is leveraged for political influence, destroying smaller competition, influencing education and media, etc. etc. all of which contributes to this cascading effect that further enriches the top tier of our population at great cost.

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As LBJ said... nycbos Dec 2016 #1
Indeed. So, the vote was for White Male Identity Politics. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #3
Not to beat a dead horse Uponthegears Dec 2016 #2
Jobs elleng Dec 2016 #4
Not just any jobs though. Jobs they don't have to re-train for. In this election they rejected ooky Dec 2016 #67
They were offered vapor ware with no estimated time of resolution TheKentuckian Dec 2016 #72
That's the current plan. Its called ooky Dec 2016 #74
The ones that voted for Trump want certain groups of people to go away JI7 Dec 2016 #5
Calling rural voters in the Rust Belt racist wont get them to vote for you davidn3600 Dec 2016 #6
I'm calling those in suburbs cities etc racist also JI7 Dec 2016 #7
Calling millions of people you don't even know racists is ignorant NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #13
lol. i know they voted for trump. you sure have no problem judging mr JI7 Dec 2016 #14
Interesting, isn't it? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #20
it really is something. somehow the trump voters are made into victims JI7 Dec 2016 #30
Then call HIM a bigot because he IS one. NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #21
Kind of naive to think Trump voters wouldn't insist on pulling the party to the right brush Dec 2016 #29
Either you call them bigots or recognize they had no problem voting for a bigoted platform.. JHan Dec 2016 #37
Have you ever been to an economically devastated rural area? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #41
I know people struggling to make ends meet yes. JHan Dec 2016 #42
So you know every struggling person in the rust belt? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #51
As for Clinton "ignoring" people... JHan Dec 2016 #43
Where did I say Clinton specifically? I was talking about long term ignoring NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #52
You're missing the point DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #39
I know full well what racism IS and what it's NOT NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #45
I don't understand.. JHan Dec 2016 #44
If you think it's defensiveness then you aren't paying attention NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #53
I never said they were all racists: JHan Dec 2016 #56
You actually responded to my reply to someone else NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #64
How do you reconcile your view with this: JHan Dec 2016 #9
On average, voters who said the economy was most important preferred Clinton by 7.3 Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #24
Hopefully repeating it makes it stick :P JHan Dec 2016 #34
Hoping it makes it important as in READ THIS! What does it tell you? Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #50
That still leaves an appreciable minority that didn't. TheKentuckian Dec 2016 #73
Poor rural white jack69 Dec 2016 #11
No, they actually haven't been NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #15
Remind me who governs these rural districts at the local level... JHan Dec 2016 #38
Great points, which will be entirely ignored by Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #49
Those states and districts voted for Obama twice for change and gave him a chance NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #54
ask them what they think of blm JI7 Dec 2016 #16
Come on now. Don't be mean JI7 ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #32
Agree ... with the above Kathy M Dec 2016 #18
In the end, NAFTA did not cause the decline... Adrahil Dec 2016 #58
I agree with you ...... Change was going to happen ... There has been other change Kathy M Dec 2016 #65
Cheers! NT Adrahil Dec 2016 #66
A lot of those folks just want someone to lie to them. Adrahil Dec 2016 #57
Many want Democrats in power. Others want the 1950s. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #8
Well said jack69 Dec 2016 #10
Krugman gets it mcar Dec 2016 #12
We will never get anybody back if the corporations continue to control the message. Focusing on what JCanete Dec 2016 #17
Yeah I get that.. JHan Dec 2016 #31
But you can't say that when it counts, those lauded journalistic institutions haven't let us down. JCanete Dec 2016 #40
Look to Maslow's hierarchy of needs DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #19
Your post reminds me.. JHan Dec 2016 #33
That's right. We're in that range where politics are all about playing on the limbic response. JCanete Dec 2016 #46
very simple - it wants to stop being thrown under the bus nt NRQ891 Dec 2016 #22
Am sure Trump will give to them all they want!!!! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #23
Anyone notice that it's always "white working class" instead of just "working class?" Garrett78 Dec 2016 #25
thanks, great observations ( i concur) JHan Dec 2016 #35
Evidently the WWC wants to ignore reality and burn down America while being as bigoted as possible LonePirate Dec 2016 #26
My father passed away a bit over a year ago Kilgore Dec 2016 #27
That ignores the very real issue of automation. Adrahil Dec 2016 #59
400 is better than zero. Kilgore Dec 2016 #61
While that's true..... Adrahil Dec 2016 #62
a sandwich that doesn't fall apart even when slathered with condiments? Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #28
lol lol lol ..... JHan Dec 2016 #36
Holy shit, if Trump had said he would deliver on that second one I might have voted for him. JCanete Dec 2016 #47
I predict that, over the next 4 years, movies are only going to get worse. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #48
Too many want to be lied to....they want to hear we can return to an beachbum bob Dec 2016 #55
For too many of them, it's this, for people who they don't like. forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #60
the same thing the black and brown working class wants gejohnston Dec 2016 #63
The answer is the free market LisiFFXV Dec 2016 #68
Not being told to go screw themselves? jfern Dec 2016 #69
Someone to look down on, same as Trump. n/t Orsino Dec 2016 #70
Living wages and the ability to put their children through college. PassingFair Dec 2016 #71
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