2016 Postmortem

ooky

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67. Not just any jobs though. Jobs they don't have to re-train for. In this election they rejected

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 08:53 PM

Dec 2016

the offer of college education - free tuition for working families - first offered by Bernie Sanders and later adopted as part of the Dems platform. Apparently they want exactly what the OP correctly said isn't coming back - their old jobs. Given the option to work in underground coal mines or keep packing roller bearings vs training for a new high tech job and they made clear to stick the free training and education where the sun doesn't shine. They think Trump's going to bring back their old jobs and salaries and benefits that were lost lost to third world countries cheap labor and/or technological obsolescence. They are putting their head in the sand over both technology and climate change. Trump lied to them about both to get elected, as they will soon learn. Now they will get neither their old job or free training for a new one. Just more cuts to their health care assistance.

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What does the white working class want? [View all] JHan Dec 2016 OP

As LBJ said... nycbos Dec 2016 #1

Indeed. So, the vote was for White Male Identity Politics. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #3

Not to beat a dead horse Uponthegears Dec 2016 #2

Jobs elleng Dec 2016 #4

Not just any jobs though. Jobs they don't have to re-train for. In this election they rejected ooky Dec 2016 #67

They were offered vapor ware with no estimated time of resolution TheKentuckian Dec 2016 #72

That's the current plan. Its called ooky Dec 2016 #74

The ones that voted for Trump want certain groups of people to go away JI7 Dec 2016 #5

Calling rural voters in the Rust Belt racist wont get them to vote for you davidn3600 Dec 2016 #6

I'm calling those in suburbs cities etc racist also JI7 Dec 2016 #7

Calling millions of people you don't even know racists is ignorant NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #13

lol. i know they voted for trump. you sure have no problem judging mr JI7 Dec 2016 #14

Interesting, isn't it? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #20

it really is something. somehow the trump voters are made into victims JI7 Dec 2016 #30

Then call HIM a bigot because he IS one. NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #21

Kind of naive to think Trump voters wouldn't insist on pulling the party to the right brush Dec 2016 #29

Either you call them bigots or recognize they had no problem voting for a bigoted platform.. JHan Dec 2016 #37

Have you ever been to an economically devastated rural area? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #41

I know people struggling to make ends meet yes. JHan Dec 2016 #42

So you know every struggling person in the rust belt? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #51

As for Clinton "ignoring" people... JHan Dec 2016 #43

Where did I say Clinton specifically? I was talking about long term ignoring NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #52

You're missing the point DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #39

I know full well what racism IS and what it's NOT NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #45

I don't understand.. JHan Dec 2016 #44

If you think it's defensiveness then you aren't paying attention NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #53

I never said they were all racists: JHan Dec 2016 #56

You actually responded to my reply to someone else NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #64

How do you reconcile your view with this: JHan Dec 2016 #9

On average, voters who said the economy was most important preferred Clinton by 7.3 Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #24

Hopefully repeating it makes it stick :P JHan Dec 2016 #34

Hoping it makes it important as in READ THIS! What does it tell you? Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #50

That still leaves an appreciable minority that didn't. TheKentuckian Dec 2016 #73

Poor rural white jack69 Dec 2016 #11

No, they actually haven't been NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #15

Remind me who governs these rural districts at the local level... JHan Dec 2016 #38

Great points, which will be entirely ignored by Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #49

Those states and districts voted for Obama twice for change and gave him a chance NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #54

ask them what they think of blm JI7 Dec 2016 #16

Come on now. Don't be mean JI7 ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #32

Agree ... with the above Kathy M Dec 2016 #18

In the end, NAFTA did not cause the decline... Adrahil Dec 2016 #58

I agree with you ...... Change was going to happen ... There has been other change Kathy M Dec 2016 #65

Cheers! NT Adrahil Dec 2016 #66

A lot of those folks just want someone to lie to them. Adrahil Dec 2016 #57

Many want Democrats in power. Others want the 1950s. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #8

Well said jack69 Dec 2016 #10

Krugman gets it mcar Dec 2016 #12

We will never get anybody back if the corporations continue to control the message. Focusing on what JCanete Dec 2016 #17

Yeah I get that.. JHan Dec 2016 #31

But you can't say that when it counts, those lauded journalistic institutions haven't let us down. JCanete Dec 2016 #40

Look to Maslow's hierarchy of needs DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #19

Your post reminds me.. JHan Dec 2016 #33

That's right. We're in that range where politics are all about playing on the limbic response. JCanete Dec 2016 #46

very simple - it wants to stop being thrown under the bus nt NRQ891 Dec 2016 #22

Am sure Trump will give to them all they want!!!! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #23

Anyone notice that it's always "white working class" instead of just "working class?" Garrett78 Dec 2016 #25

thanks, great observations ( i concur) JHan Dec 2016 #35

Evidently the WWC wants to ignore reality and burn down America while being as bigoted as possible LonePirate Dec 2016 #26

My father passed away a bit over a year ago Kilgore Dec 2016 #27

That ignores the very real issue of automation. Adrahil Dec 2016 #59

400 is better than zero. Kilgore Dec 2016 #61

While that's true..... Adrahil Dec 2016 #62

a sandwich that doesn't fall apart even when slathered with condiments? Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #28

lol lol lol ..... JHan Dec 2016 #36

Holy shit, if Trump had said he would deliver on that second one I might have voted for him. JCanete Dec 2016 #47

I predict that, over the next 4 years, movies are only going to get worse. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #48

Too many want to be lied to....they want to hear we can return to an beachbum bob Dec 2016 #55

For too many of them, it's this, for people who they don't like. forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #60

the same thing the black and brown working class wants gejohnston Dec 2016 #63

The answer is the free market LisiFFXV Dec 2016 #68

Not being told to go screw themselves? jfern Dec 2016 #69

Someone to look down on, same as Trump. n/t Orsino Dec 2016 #70

Living wages and the ability to put their children through college. PassingFair Dec 2016 #71