2016 Postmortem

appal_jack

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33. Next time around, I want a candidate who can...

Fri Dec 16, 2016, 06:22 PM

Dec 2016

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Next time around, I want a candidate who can attract at least a few Trump voters who have seen the errors of their past choices, plus many of those who did not vote in 2016 at all. Such a charismatic, progressive, and Democratic candidate would also have to retain or preferably increase turnout among traditionally Democratic voters as well.

Calling anyone 'colossal dumbfucks' would not move the needle toward this goal one bit. Instead, it will alienate potential Democratic votes. I'm not suggesting that we adopt a single Republican position, nor do I think that we need to hide core values such as civil rights, etc. I'm just suggesting we not insult the people we want to join our coalition. Yet on this thread, too many DU'ers are saying, "No, I prefer to join Kos in flinging insults at voters." Why!?!

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Kos does the 2016 Post-Mortem exactly wrong. [View all] appal_jack Dec 2016 OP

wow, fucking a. That really is horrible optics, and makes my stomach a little ill. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #1

He got it right in my opinion. They voted for tRump-this is what they get for their vote.. asuhornets Dec 2016 #2

I agree. They voted for Comrade casino so now their getting what was promised. Va Lefty Dec 2016 #4

Its an inhumane thing to say about people who are going to suffer, which JCanete Dec 2016 #9

Who cares what the right-wing media says? They have no shame. asuhornets Dec 2016 #10

I care about what we say! JCanete Dec 2016 #12

The people that you want Democrats to appeal to would not vote for a Democrat asuhornets Dec 2016 #14

I'm not talking about appealing to them as voters...I'm talking about appealing to them as humans JCanete Dec 2016 #15

Your words: If they understood how they were being used by republicans with race bating and gay bash asuhornets Dec 2016 #18

you think they understand that republicans are just manipulating them into voting on bigotry JCanete Dec 2016 #24

We are talking about Adults, not children..Why do they need to be coddled? nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #39

Well and succinctly put! nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #62

I'm sure that the nonvoting percentage in WV is around 50% (or more). appal_jack Dec 2016 #26

Well I'm going to suffer too. kacekwl Dec 2016 #27

yes you are, and any kind of eye for an eye mentality will make the world go blind...ooh JCanete Dec 2016 #30

An eye for an eye is kacekwl Dec 2016 #34

They didn't all vote for Trump... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #17

Oh they have my compassion. and I hope Trump keeps Obamacare for their sake and many others.. asuhornets Dec 2016 #19

Well they don't have Moulitsa's, and you said he got it right, thus the confusion. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #21

He did get it right...they made the decision as adults..I won't hold their hand..nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #40

Why not? Because if you are ignorant by the time you are an adult, its your fault entirely so JCanete Dec 2016 #50

The people who vote against their interest have a right to do so. That's on them.. asuhornets Dec 2016 #51

What they do affects us and vice versa. It seems like we have a stake in helping people to look at JCanete Dec 2016 #63

Well stated... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #66

I agree with some of what you are saying. But i think the first step.. asuhornets Dec 2016 #67

Why do you assume they kacekwl Dec 2016 #36

It's Republicans who are trying to take their healthcare away... asuhornets Dec 2016 #55

Yeah, it defies logic. ananda Dec 2016 #31

A lot of people were taken in by Trump's false propaganda. But I am not totodeinhere Dec 2016 #53

Neither am I...nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #54

Fuck 'em. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #3

That's not going to us earn very many votes. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #45

Ultimately a voter is responsible for their vote. BTW it isnt a boolean concept. stevenleser Dec 2016 #5

Ultimately people make mistakes. All the time. Actually, I thought we were the party that said JCanete Dec 2016 #7

Who said stop loving or calling them stupid? I just said they are responsible. stevenleser Dec 2016 #11

but you are essentially putting things outside of their current understanding on their shoulders, JCanete Dec 2016 #13

No, everything was within their ability to understand had they tried. It's not like your example stevenleser Dec 2016 #16

Why would they try? People of authority who they have always trusted are giving them the answers. JCanete Dec 2016 #20

Getting rid of people's health coverage wasn't exactly in the fine print. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #41

but ACA is a mixed bag and hard to understand. It is being sold as people's premiums going through JCanete Dec 2016 #49

That's what they thought treestar Dec 2016 #57

the right wingers are always going on about treestar Dec 2016 #56

Holy shit. You literally want to take a Republican position just because it hurts people that are JCanete Dec 2016 #64

Thank you, Steven. It is the responsibility of the people to understand what and who madinmaryland Dec 2016 #59

Adam Johnson is a dick... and there was nothing wrong with that DKos article Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #6

As some Bernie supporters are learning, no one likes.. aidbo Dec 2016 #8

Because the explanation by some Sanders supporters isn't true. duffyduff Dec 2016 #23

Must be nice to be so sure. aidbo Dec 2016 #29

Right. liquid diamond Dec 2016 #65

Kos is right. Fair is wrong. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #22

Fight hate with hate! Now we're cooking with gas! JCanete Dec 2016 #25

Sorry. People who take away health insurance deserve every bit of hate they get. kcr Dec 2016 #37

MLK said that right? You certainly quote from the best. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #48

You are wrong, and FAIR is fair. nt appal_jack Dec 2016 #32

We can show compassion for these coal miners Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #28

Next time around, I want a candidate who can... appal_jack Dec 2016 #33

I have kind of mixed feelings on this. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #35

Republicans are the ENEMY. resistance2016 Dec 2016 #38

I completely agree with Kos. These people need a natural consequence. Tatiana Dec 2016 #42

they thought it would only be taken away from "those people" JI7 Dec 2016 #43

I kind of see what Kos is saying. Things have to get worse before they get better. that's why I'm coolbreeze77 Dec 2016 #44

Do those coal miners care that I'm losing my ACA health coverage? Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #46

When they go low, we go high HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #47

Not every coal miner in WV voted Republican ... HeartachesNhangovers Dec 2016 #52

seriously ? treestar Dec 2016 #58

Absolutely. I've been laid-off before from a HeartachesNhangovers Dec 2016 #61

I just can't feel any joy in people losing health insurance mvd Dec 2016 #60

No one lost any health insurance. former9thward Dec 2016 #68