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2016 Postmortem

Justice

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19. Great OP but so many replies just keep making same old arguments

Reply to Garrett78 (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 07:02 AM

Dec 2016

HRC message was about economic justice AS MUCH AS IT WAS ABOUT social justice.

If you didn't hear it, ask yourself, were you paying attention?

Media focused on conflict as they like to do - the ping pong match - so conflict was emails, hacked messages, negative stuff between Trump and Clinton. Every negative thing she said about Trump was on the news. Her positive messages about helping people economically - not so much.

Trump could be negative, he could offer nothing and say nothing. That was okay because his defenders didn't care what he said.

Media didn't demand more of Trump.

We should have demanded more of him and we should demand more of him now. His defenders still act like it is the campaign and they can deflect a substantive question with snark and insults about us and HRC. But his defenders have to defend him now.

And that is a challenge.

We have to focus on 2018 races - Governors, state legislatures, senate and house.

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"More outreach to rural areas of purple states" and "Change the message" are 2 different arguments. [View all] Garrett78 Dec 2016 OP

Outreach is fine. Changing the message is non-negotiable. Also, Iowa is no longer purple. It's red. LonePirate Dec 2016 #1

Will be a long time Truth321 Dec 2016 #2

That may be. Iowa was super close in 2000 and 2004, whereas Obama won it with relative ease. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #3

Meanwhile, states like AZ and TX may turn purple or even solidly blue. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #16

The ONLY change anyone has suggested is to make it more economically progressive Ken Burch Dec 2016 #5

Clinton's economic message was the most progressive ever in terms of major party candidates. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #10

In any case, nobody is calling for the party to be LESS antiracist Ken Burch Dec 2016 #11

Agreed. Absolutely. Justice Dec 2016 #18

I think just about all Democrats would welcome a more economically progressive message. LonePirate Dec 2016 #15

I suspect that you're right. Iowa has gone dark Vogon_Glory Dec 2016 #17

I wonder how many white Iowans are for that methanol subsidy but against gov't assistance for others LonePirate Dec 2016 #20

I guess there's some validity in that feeling radical noodle Dec 2016 #4

Tip O'Neill actually had a story about why "stroking" voters is a good idea: Ken Burch Dec 2016 #7

There's no doubt some need GOTV and some don't. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #8

also, the dems should be considering focusing on areas that have more people who would vote dem La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #6

There are a lot of people in rural areas(particularly in the South and the Mountain West) Ken Burch Dec 2016 #9

Yes, the new coalition maybe more south and south west La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #12

If Texas goes blue, Republicans are in deep trouble. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #13

She lost Texas by smaller numbers than in a long time La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #14

Great OP but so many replies just keep making same old arguments Justice Dec 2016 #19

Much of the conflating is done by those who want to change the message. They call it outreach. kcr Dec 2016 #21