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2016 Postmortem

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Axolotls

(21 posts)
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:06 AM Dec 2016

The DNC messed up (Hillary '16 instead of '08) [View all]

(Hope I've posted in the correct forum, I think so but apologies if it belongs in General Discussion)

Would it not have been better had the DNC nominated Hillary in '08, and Obama this year? I say it would've, and had that happened instead, since many voters were open to/seeking change and something different this time--Trump wouldn't be the incoming president.

While it would've only been 8 years since Bill was in office, a lot of people had Bush fatigue and much disillusionment with the gop so whoever the democrat candidate was in '08 would've been a shoo-in, plus there wasn't the anti-establishment fervor as in this cycle, where being a Clinton didn't sit well with many (the same problem Jeb Bush faced and being part of a dynasty). Don't get mad please but I didn't like Hillary, didn't vote (I live in a deep blue state so it wouldn't matter but even if I was in a swing state, unsure I still could do it as that was a bridge too far)...but 2008 was her only real guaranteed shot, and she would've won.

Obama could've been put "on hold", and he was young and had time on his side. Also unlike Hillary, he had the immense likability and incredible magnetism and great campaigning skills, and lack of baggage and scandal. Does anyone think he would've lost to Trump? I don't. The DNC screwed up big time--and thinking it was a good idea that after 8 years of a democrat president, Hillary of all people was a savvy move and sure thing. Wtf.

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The rule, I'm told, is that the nominee is the candidate who gets the most votes. Orsino Dec 2016 #1
Re: the most votes SFnomad Dec 2016 #5
And delegates' are the votes that count. Orsino Dec 2016 #7
That's only because Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan NobodyHere Dec 2016 #18
You count the votes that voted ... and with that, Clinton won the popular SFnomad Dec 2016 #24
According to Wikipedia, Prez O BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #21
Only if you allocate "uncommitted" Michigan votes to Obama ... sorry, that don't work SFnomad Dec 2016 #23
It also helps that she graciously BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #26
The "DNC" didn't nominate Obama or Hillary SFnomad Dec 2016 #2
I'm an independent but left-leaning Axolotls Dec 2016 #8
If you say so ... SFnomad Dec 2016 #10
Yeah, um, voters BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #3
I don't know, but if Hillary was the nominee in 08, that would have inspired muntrv Dec 2016 #4
That would've happened with any gop candidate Axolotls Dec 2016 #9
Not sure Obama would've been as popular in 2016 Seasider Dec 2016 #6
All that is valid Axolotls Dec 2016 #11
BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!!! COMEY, Voter Suppression and RUSSIA !! Fuck all the other bullshit FUD is tryi uponit7771 Dec 2016 #12
That didn't help Axolotls Dec 2016 #14
It didn't help RWTP of Comey, Voter Suppression and Russia weren't a factor and that's a good thing uponit7771 Dec 2016 #15
It would have been better for Hillary Clinton but not necessarily for Barack Obama mtnsnake Dec 2016 #13
It was even tougher since Hillary was the candidate Axolotls Dec 2016 #16
What does it have to do with DNC? Obama run a better campaign and got the nomination. LisaL Dec 2016 #17
Welcome to DU. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #19
It wasn't the DNC. BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #20
Obama was the best President of my lifetime. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #22
the DNC did not nominate . people ran in a Primary. Obama won in 2008 and HIllary won in 2012 JI7 Dec 2016 #25
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