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2016 Postmortem

Seasider

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6. Not sure Obama would've been as popular in 2016

Reply to Axolotls (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:19 AM

Dec 2016

In 2008, Obama was still riding high from the attention he got in his 2004 convention speech and was viewed as one of the rising stars of the Democratic party. A lot of the glow I think would've faded by 2016 if he continued being a Senator. Yes, he would've had more experience in Washington but also more time in the Senate meaning more things for his enemies to scrutinize him on and much easier to paint him as a Washington insider. For me, I actually would've preferred Hillary in 2008 for a variety of reasons but whose to say we wouldn't have gotten the same results in the General election?

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The DNC messed up (Hillary '16 instead of '08) [View all] Axolotls Dec 2016 OP

The rule, I'm told, is that the nominee is the candidate who gets the most votes. Orsino Dec 2016 #1

Re: the most votes SFnomad Dec 2016 #5

And delegates' are the votes that count. Orsino Dec 2016 #7

That's only because Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan NobodyHere Dec 2016 #18

You count the votes that voted ... and with that, Clinton won the popular SFnomad Dec 2016 #24

According to Wikipedia, Prez O BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #21

Only if you allocate "uncommitted" Michigan votes to Obama ... sorry, that don't work SFnomad Dec 2016 #23

It also helps that she graciously BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #26

The "DNC" didn't nominate Obama or Hillary SFnomad Dec 2016 #2

I'm an independent but left-leaning Axolotls Dec 2016 #8

If you say so ... SFnomad Dec 2016 #10

Yeah, um, voters BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #3

I don't know, but if Hillary was the nominee in 08, that would have inspired muntrv Dec 2016 #4

That would've happened with any gop candidate Axolotls Dec 2016 #9

Not sure Obama would've been as popular in 2016 Seasider Dec 2016 #6

All that is valid Axolotls Dec 2016 #11

BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!!! COMEY, Voter Suppression and RUSSIA !! Fuck all the other bullshit FUD is tryi uponit7771 Dec 2016 #12

That didn't help Axolotls Dec 2016 #14

It didn't help RWTP of Comey, Voter Suppression and Russia weren't a factor and that's a good thing uponit7771 Dec 2016 #15

It would have been better for Hillary Clinton but not necessarily for Barack Obama mtnsnake Dec 2016 #13

It was even tougher since Hillary was the candidate Axolotls Dec 2016 #16

What does it have to do with DNC? Obama run a better campaign and got the nomination. LisaL Dec 2016 #17

Welcome to DU. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #19

It wasn't the DNC. BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #20

Obama was the best President of my lifetime. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #22

the DNC did not nominate . people ran in a Primary. Obama won in 2008 and HIllary won in 2012 JI7 Dec 2016 #25