2016 Postmortem

First Speaker

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6. Short answer: I don't know what it will take...

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:52 AM

Dec 2016

...but I do know we aren't in "normal" times, even the bizarre normality we've been in ever since Gingrich's "revolution" in 1994. There is a literal fascist traitor set to occupy the White House; there is literally a move on to restore Jim Crow, and crush liberal democracy. Talk of "organizing"; of lawsuits, demonstrations, et al...what good are they, in the face of literal fascism? Is there an answer, short of civil war? Do we wait for them to make the overt moves--"fire the first shot"? But if we do, will it be too late to resist? Should we be thinking of organizing an honest-to-Weimar left-wing paramilitary force, as a precaution? But if we wait until after Jan 20--will *that* be too late? I hope, ten years from now, these kind of thoughts will seem like paranoid shit. But I don't think they will...

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So what would it take for many of you to fight the fuck back? [View all] LaydeeBug Dec 2016 OP

The most I can say is K & R over and over. shraby Dec 2016 #1

CUSSING AND CAPS LOCK! pintobean Dec 2016 #2

Sadly, that and ridicule are the only things that work. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #4

I CAN TOP THAT sarisataka Dec 2016 #5

I appreciate your attempt to marginalize the OP LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #7

Typing rants sarisataka Dec 2016 #9

Responding to those typing rants LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #10

To each their own... sarisataka Dec 2016 #11

Oh absolutely! LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #12

Ot's like going to an NA meeting, ranting how drugs are bad, and claiming dionysus Dec 2016 #37

and blaming your family when you fall off the wagon. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #50

Ohh, that'll get a lot done... NO, it's time to take to the fuckin' streets, Vietnam Era-style... that's the ONLY thing that'll grab people's attention to the Fuhrer-Elect's fascist agenda! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #51

I can do better than that Exilednight Dec 2016 #16

We'll work up a "Number 6" on 'em! Marengo Dec 2016 #3

Short answer: I don't know what it will take... First Speaker Dec 2016 #6

I will give them as much deference as they give our side... LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #8

Jesus christ.. you gonna join a wannabe death squad? For christ sake, dionysus Dec 2016 #38

If you don't think there's, AT THE VERY LEAST, a quantative difference....... socialist_n_TN Dec 2016 #42

You are 100% correct UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #13

Their side said "email!" "kenya" over and over again, ad we're supposed to write letters. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #14

Progressives disorganized and leaderless, so how do you win?... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #52

You, are the type of Democrat we need. Tatiana Dec 2016 #15

YOU are the type of Democrat we need..and thank you for your committment. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #17

Yes... and this guy: InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #53

sadly, he's not one of us anymore but I do love him LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #55

Oh, but he is!... Why do you say that Laydeebug? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #57

He left the Democratic Party after the convention LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #58

He did? That's news to me... thought he campaigned vigorously for Hillary and other Dems. Musta been fake news. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #61

Vigorusly might be a bit generous, but it is NOT fake nwes that Sanders left the Democratic LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #62

I honestly had not heard that... would be disappointed if that were true. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #63

Check it... LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #65

I know Bernie is an Independent, but leans HEAVILY Democratic. In other words, the best of BOTH worlds! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #67

He stated this immediately after the nomination in July He is an IN senator . Old real news lunasun Dec 2016 #66

Don't disagree, but see my response to LaydeeBug above. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #68

I am writing letters to the editor as letters to my representatives, Cornyn and Cruz, would not mat Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #30

Yes, Yes, and YES!!!!!! Tatiana Dec 2016 #35

The real trick is to do it in such a way as to not get them defensive, Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #41

Don't fight back. Fight FORWARD. Get on offense and STAY there. RBInMaine Dec 2016 #18

this. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #20

Thank you for the flawless statement of where we NEED to be, as Democrats. Paladin Dec 2016 #19

this is so true. But we outnumber them, and we vote each day with our tax dollars. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #23

I asked the same question on my thread adigal Dec 2016 #21

Money works. jalan48 Dec 2016 #22

You do realize the Twinkie defense (which is actually a bit more complicated than you think) mythology Dec 2016 #24

People who claim the moral high ground shouldn't do it while in quicksand... LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #25

Kick. Happy Holidays, LaydeeBug, and keep pushing! I keep thinking about your Squinch Dec 2016 #26

Turning the magazines over in the checkout line isn't enough? egduj Dec 2016 #27

We don't have to make stuff up radical noodle Dec 2016 #28

Thank you! This! They make shit up, repeat it ad nauseum, ignore Courts Orders LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #31

Exactly LaydeeBug! radical noodle Dec 2016 #33

right down the bunny trail...and they're violating the law LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #49

That's right, radical noodle! Cha Dec 2016 #48

Define "fighting back" TXCritter Dec 2016 #29

welcome to DU. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #32

Let's just say the ends DO justify the means!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #54

Well, that's a far cry from non-violent civil disobedience TXCritter Dec 2016 #64

Not advocating violence, but this is no time to go soft!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #69

Just don't be mean to Ivanka. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2016 #34

Do you consider rants like the OP "fighting back"? dionysus Dec 2016 #36

I am so confused WilliamH1474 Dec 2016 #39

We should obstruct, agitate, oppose, resist; and force our Democratic "leaders" to do the same usrbs Dec 2016 #44

this sounds like a start, and not allowing those motherfuckers to frame the narrative LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #45

WIT!! (WHATEVER IT TAKES!!) InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #56

So... FiveGoodMen Dec 2016 #40

I've been wondering that myself..... socialist_n_TN Dec 2016 #43

People live on easy street on our side, they will never rock the boat. Rex Dec 2016 #46

To whom much is given, much is expected. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #47

How are we supposed to fight when there is nobody doc03 Dec 2016 #59

so what's your solution other than righteous indignation? bowens43 Dec 2016 #60

Throughout history people have done things for the betterment of all that would be considered Lint Head Dec 2016 #70