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Ken Burch

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4. The answer is to about race AND class...not to just not mention class.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:29 PM
Jan 2017

talking about class doesn't have to conflict with opposing racism.

With Bernie, it was mainly a communications issue...there was no actual difference between Bernie and Hillary on the commitment to fighting racism...it's just that he didn't include the anti-racist agenda prominently enough in his speeches and ads.

And Jerry Brown and Howard Dean didn't lose because they talked about "class&quot Dean was more a supposedly antiwar candidate than a class struggle guy-in '92, Tom Harkin was the closes thing to a "class struggle" candidate, and he lost largely because the media declared him too grumpy to be president). Brown had also had a problematic relationship with the progressive wing of the party, since he ran against THEM as often as he challenged the right on anything.

Both Brown and Dean were running against frontrunners who had established overwhelming leads from the start. Brown's big issue was, of all things, replacing the income tax with a flat tax (something most Democrats of any stripe are against). Neither Brown NOR Dean offered a critique of the role corporate power plays in politics and neither supported any proposals that were significantly egalitarian or redistributive.

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Candidates who focus on those issues probably won't survive the primaries. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #1
Can we please move PAST talking about this in Hillary v. Bernie terms? Ken Burch Jan 2017 #2
I prefer to look at the past to help predict the future. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #3
The answer is to about race AND class...not to just not mention class. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #4
An excellent critique. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #5
Thank you. I'm trying to get us past the primary thing Ken Burch Jan 2017 #6
At this point they are distractions. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #7
We can address both things. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #8
I like the Democracy Summer label. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #9
For Texas, it could be about channeling support to in-state groups. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #10
It's relative. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #11
Perhaps. Although we had one in '84 and '88 & the party brass did all it could to stop him. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #13
He scared away too many white voters. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #15
Neither Clinton nor Kerry were front runners dsc Jan 2017 #16
Suggested reading: Garrett78 Jan 2017 #18
I understand the argument on moral grounds, but I just don't think it will work. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #19
You could build popular support for reparations Ken Burch Jan 2017 #22
If that can be done, then good! Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #23
Look, I support reparations and think Bernie COULD have said more about race Ken Burch Jan 2017 #21
Exactly what most of us have been doing. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #12
I supported her in the fall, and I've proved I was never a Hillary-hater. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #14
My post had zero to do with Bernie or who you supported and when. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #17
It was that line about sounding like a Clinton supporter and hearing her stump speech. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #20
My post had nothing to do with who you supported or when. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #24
Ok. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #25
Agree strongly. n/t delisen Jan 2017 #26
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