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Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
11. Stunningly brilliant analysis.
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 11:28 PM
Jan 2017

I agree with nearly all of it. I'll just highlight what stands out to me:

A) Abortion - The Rust Belt is not that far from the Bible Belt. A significant portion of these voters regularly attend church and consider themselves pro-life/anti-abortion. I think it has been established that Hillary really didn't have good outreach to the evangelical and faith-based communities -- certainly not in the way that Obama did. What these people heard was a very vigorous defense of abortion rights from Hillary. For those on the fence, this may have clinched it.

B) Normalizing a Corrupt Individual - YES! Fantastic point, that I haven't seen anyone else point out. We ALL do this. I voted for Rod Blagojevich... TWICE. The second time, I pretty much knew the deal. BUT, even though I thought Topinka (the Republican opponent) was probably a better person ethically, I just couldn't vote to concede executive power of my state (Illinois) to the Republicans. I reasoned the legislature would provide a "check" on Blago's excesses. Perhaps those that voted for Trump are counting on the McCains and Grahams and even Cruzes and Rubios to "check" Trump. However, what they will find is that a loose canon is a loose canon that never cedes power and can only be forced out at great cost.

c) Economic Decline - Much has been made of the white working class. However, Trump, the RACIST, outperformed Romney in 2012 with Black, Asian, and Latino voters. So, yes, whites voted for Trump, but that doesn't tell the whole story. I'm surrounded by Missouri, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, and Kentucky. I see a lot more minorities (specifically Latino and Asian) whenever I visit, especially in Missouri, Iowa, and Indiana. This is anecdotal, but those people have also suffered during the recovery. Many small businesses I patronized have closed up shop (restaurants, bakeries, small construction and craftsman work), with no replacement. On my last trip to Detroit, though it is on an upswing, my heart still ached because it is nothing like that place I used to visit with my dad in the 80s. There are parts of it that look just empty and devastated. Historical and architecturally significant structures have been left to rot and ruin. To these people, it sounds ridiculous to say the economy has recovered and the unemployment rate is low. They've lost jobs, businesses, homes, vehicles, and educational opportunity. To these people, the retort by some Democrats that "America is already great!" is enraging. It's not great for a lot of people in the Rust Belt. The message shouldn't have been "America is already great!" We should have been acknowledging that America isn't that great for many, but we will improve the lives of those who have yet to experience relief from the Great Recession.

My only minor quibble is with the difficulty of one party winning a third term. Ordinarily that would carry some weight. But given the Republican opponent, this election was totally winnable. It should have been won. Trump's campaign staff had their finger on the pulse of the people and the Clinton campaign showed that they were out of touch. Any number of decisions by the campaign could have led to a win (and possible assistance to down-ballot candidates) including adding Sanders to the ticket. I don't believe in blaming the voters. It is the job of the candidate to educate and persuade the voter. "Visit my website" doesn't cut it. You need to explain to voters why they should vote for YOU. And... you need to say it in a soundbite.

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I agree MichMan Jan 2017 #1
thanks for your reply karynnj Jan 2017 #2
What used to be the Republican party is gone......... Little Star Jan 2017 #3
I think part of Bush's problem was how long he had been out of office - and A LOT had changed during Midwestern Democrat Jan 2017 #5
Reading this reminded me of some lines from the Billy Joel song "Allentown" Jake Stern Jan 2017 #4
The problem is that on election eve, Clinton was up by 6, 5, and 4 points in WI, PA, and MI ucrdem Jan 2017 #6
There were a few articles about the problems pollsters had in getting people to answer karynnj Jan 2017 #7
I can't argue with your feelings, but the lack of quantification ucrdem Jan 2017 #12
I was responding to your post that also contained little substantiation karynnj Jan 2017 #13
My first post quantified, my second post substantiated. You haven't done either. nt ucrdem Jan 2017 #16
Your real clear politics link actually would substantiate what I said karynnj Jan 2017 #17
So Trump gained 7.6 points and Feingold lost in Walker's state because Hillary? ucrdem Jan 2017 #19
I did not say Feingold lost because of HRC -- the point was that there was a wave against karynnj Jan 2017 #20
Nationally Clinton won by 2+ points. So there goes that meme. nt ucrdem Jan 2017 #21
You completely missed the point. karynnj Jan 2017 #22
I get your point. It seems you're blaming the results of GOP cheating on the Clintons. ucrdem Jan 2017 #23
Where do get that I am blaming the Clintons at all? karynnj Jan 2017 #24
I read your OP. ucrdem Jan 2017 #25
You're spot on. The election was absolutely stolen. brush Jan 2017 #31
the thing is they Voted for him in the Primary. They did have a choice and they chose him among JI7 Jan 2017 #8
The over whelming majority of Democrats in the House were against the TPP. The unions think Jan 2017 #9
Exactly karynnj Jan 2017 #10
Stunningly brilliant analysis. Tatiana Jan 2017 #11
On abortion: LeftInTX Jan 2017 #15
I felt sorry for her on that question karynnj Jan 2017 #18
the nativist/nationalist/xenophobic fervor festers where people feel as if geek tragedy Jan 2017 #14
As far as abortion goes, Trump had them at his over-the-top remark to Chris Matthews no_hypocrisy Jan 2017 #26
It is not that complicated Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #27
I listened to the various interviews with those voters The_Casual_Observer Jan 2017 #28
Keep in mind that media presentations are mediated. ucrdem Jan 2017 #29
This is exactly why Bernie should have been the nominee. Joe941 Jan 2017 #30
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