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karynnj

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13. I was responding to your post that also contained little substantiation
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:24 AM
Jan 2017

As to the claims - you can look at at any poll aggregation site and you will see that the % HRC got in each of the three states was better or equal to where she was in the late polls in all three states. The posts on some of the people on the ground seeing trouble in Michigan and Wisconsin were posted all over DU in the last two months.

Note that many of your claims are speculation. There is plenty of evidence that nationwide the Republicans have worked to make it harder to vote. This has affected elections since at least 2000 - and likely before that. This is something we should have addressed as soon as Obama was in. (Congress has committees and can do multiple things at the same time.) As it was, the Supreme Court made it worse.

I wanted Clinton to win even though there are candidates in other years I was more excited about that her. I think that the Comey stuff likely was a big factor. As to the polling, the NATIONAL polls at the very end showed that while she had been in the high single digits ahead when the first letter came out, she was only 2 to 3 points ahead in the last batch of polls. As bad as polling is, nationally this is pretty close to exactly how far ahead she was in the popular vote. Your post was based on all the polls being wrong - which is why I pointed out that the polls in those three states showed a lot of people still undecided.

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I agree MichMan Jan 2017 #1
thanks for your reply karynnj Jan 2017 #2
What used to be the Republican party is gone......... Little Star Jan 2017 #3
I think part of Bush's problem was how long he had been out of office - and A LOT had changed during Midwestern Democrat Jan 2017 #5
Reading this reminded me of some lines from the Billy Joel song "Allentown" Jake Stern Jan 2017 #4
The problem is that on election eve, Clinton was up by 6, 5, and 4 points in WI, PA, and MI ucrdem Jan 2017 #6
There were a few articles about the problems pollsters had in getting people to answer karynnj Jan 2017 #7
I can't argue with your feelings, but the lack of quantification ucrdem Jan 2017 #12
I was responding to your post that also contained little substantiation karynnj Jan 2017 #13
My first post quantified, my second post substantiated. You haven't done either. nt ucrdem Jan 2017 #16
Your real clear politics link actually would substantiate what I said karynnj Jan 2017 #17
So Trump gained 7.6 points and Feingold lost in Walker's state because Hillary? ucrdem Jan 2017 #19
I did not say Feingold lost because of HRC -- the point was that there was a wave against karynnj Jan 2017 #20
Nationally Clinton won by 2+ points. So there goes that meme. nt ucrdem Jan 2017 #21
You completely missed the point. karynnj Jan 2017 #22
I get your point. It seems you're blaming the results of GOP cheating on the Clintons. ucrdem Jan 2017 #23
Where do get that I am blaming the Clintons at all? karynnj Jan 2017 #24
I read your OP. ucrdem Jan 2017 #25
You're spot on. The election was absolutely stolen. brush Jan 2017 #31
the thing is they Voted for him in the Primary. They did have a choice and they chose him among JI7 Jan 2017 #8
The over whelming majority of Democrats in the House were against the TPP. The unions think Jan 2017 #9
Exactly karynnj Jan 2017 #10
Stunningly brilliant analysis. Tatiana Jan 2017 #11
On abortion: LeftInTX Jan 2017 #15
I felt sorry for her on that question karynnj Jan 2017 #18
the nativist/nationalist/xenophobic fervor festers where people feel as if geek tragedy Jan 2017 #14
As far as abortion goes, Trump had them at his over-the-top remark to Chris Matthews no_hypocrisy Jan 2017 #26
It is not that complicated Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #27
I listened to the various interviews with those voters The_Casual_Observer Jan 2017 #28
Keep in mind that media presentations are mediated. ucrdem Jan 2017 #29
This is exactly why Bernie should have been the nominee. Joe941 Jan 2017 #30
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