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dutch777

(5,046 posts)
5. Have to believe that EU/NATO is studying how they will defend themselves minus the US and maybe Turkey
Tue Jan 20, 2026, 10:27 AM
Jan 20

The writing is on the wall whether over a political issue like Greenland or just that Trump walks us away unilaterally, the fact that they cannot count on us being there when they need us vs. Russia is clear. Not a question of if, just when. Their hard internal issues are that many of their economies are not in great shape, hard tradeoffs between social programs and military spending will have to be made (or taxes increased) and their populations are really not interested in being part of bigger and truly capable militaries which means very unpopular mandatory drafts. Having served in Germany in my army days in the late 70s, while they had a much bigger military force (2500 tanks vs. now 350; 450,000 troops vs. now maybe 200,000), the majority were very poorly motivated draftees just doing their two years and then gone. Certainly actually defending their homeland against immediate aggression would stiffen their resolve but if your training has been nonchalant and you have no serious warfighting experience in the ranks and officer corps, its a big lift to be a capable force overnight. Their other major problem is that the US has the only comprehensive intelligence network-- the satellites, eavesdropping and large scale analysis capability that has the experience in depth as well. Must be a lot of hard conversations and hand wringing going on behind closed doors in the EU.

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Putin probably still calls Trump, Krasnov, like I do. gab13by13 Jan 20 #1
gab... I wouldn't be suprised to find out that slightlv Jan 20 #15
I had that same thought. yellow dahlia Jan 20 #42
And once tsf is no longer useful to Putin? chicoescuela Jan 20 #2
I'm pretty sure they all feel unassailable until about five floors from the sidewalk. Harker Jan 20 #7
It does seem that way. chicoescuela Jan 20 #8
Maybe. Harker Jan 20 #11
Hopefully the same end as the others. And I hate feeling that way Callie1979 Jan 20 #43
Can no one intercept Trump's calls with Putin and expose what's going on? Chasstev365 Jan 20 #3
If only Hilary had felt free to elaborate on her puppet accusation Easterncedar Jan 20 #4
Puppet?! Puppet!! YOU'RE the puppet! Kid Berwyn Jan 20 #6
It's not " weaponizing" if it's a legitimate case questionseverything Jan 20 #36
Have to believe that EU/NATO is studying how they will defend themselves minus the US and maybe Turkey dutch777 Jan 20 #5
NATO is strong even without the USA. OGBuzz Jan 20 #14
Well thought out statement, dutch... at least, IMO. slightlv Jan 20 #16
Dutch777, if you have a link on Turkey unwilling to defend NATO duckworth969 Jan 20 #31
I don't. It's more an inkling that Turkey, really Erdogan, could go its own way. There have been disagreements.... dutch777 Jan 20 #46
Fox News pushing the Putin agenda too. Doodley Jan 20 #9
treason... they are an evil force on this country LymphocyteLover Jan 20 #19
Add to this the US has been caught feeding Ukrainian intelligence to Russia MadameButterfly Jan 20 #10
just evil LymphocyteLover Jan 20 #20
I've Said This Since 2016. 😊 But One Nitpick: Putin Might .. ..... ColoringFool Jan 20 #12
Putin is a sick man and an evil kleptocrat.... Russia is a cruel shithole largely because of Putin's rule LymphocyteLover Jan 20 #22
Well stated PJMcK Jan 20 #13
Been saying it since 2015 Grins Jan 20 #17
Dumbo magats Clouds Passing Jan 20 #18
True words. spanone Jan 20 #21
He wants Rebl2 Jan 20 #23
Brace for impact orangecrush Jan 20 #24
The real Manchurian candidate Picaro Jan 20 #25
try 1987... nt. SonOfNebanaube Jan 20 #53
Actually, he laid his remaining marbles on the table. Now he's lost them all. Martin68 Jan 20 #26
Hillary tried to warn us. Some of us listened. llmart Jan 20 #27
Exactly, and... BurnDoubt Jan 20 #50
We made a HUGE mistake, not voting Hillary into the White House. A calimary Jan 21 #54
For anyone paying attention, you would know he was a Russian asset/stooge well before he was President. flashman13 Jan 20 #28
Awesome! nt Exp Jan 20 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author duckworth969 Jan 20 #30
9 repug Senators as of this morning won't stand with his Greenland take over. 634-5789 Jan 20 #32
fetterman? rampartd Jan 20 #44
Not all. He's still got a run of Aces to play to end the midterms. ancianita Jan 20 #33
100% correct, Kentuck!! ElementaryPenguin Jan 20 #34
He's also creating a distraction for NATO countries so Putin could invade the Baltic nations Wicked Blue Jan 20 #35
opening a western front for nato rampartd Jan 20 #45
Will He Be Stopped Mr.Bee Jan 20 #37
Yup, Sooner or later all the unseemly details Joinfortmill Jan 20 #38
Trump says that Mblaze Jan 20 #39
If I was a member at MaraLago, I would stay away Captain Zero Jan 20 #51
They would have to surgically separate their lips Mblaze Jan 21 #57
France has "independent" nukes (home made, about 495 heads) Justice matters. Jan 21 #55
He's not playing chess. He no doubt, is helping Putin, he's also a selfish ahole who cares about nobody else. Nobody. themaguffin Jan 20 #40
Vladamir Putin is the Chairman of the Republican Party OMGWTF Jan 20 #41
I have felt that way for years LittleGirl Jan 20 #47
Absolutely 💯 debsy Jan 20 #48
Fulfilling Kruschev's Prophesy... BurnDoubt Jan 20 #49
Canada and esp Greenland would be a twofer popsdenver Jan 20 #52
Our pee resident IS bobalew Jan 21 #56
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