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WhiskeyGrinder

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108. I want to be clear that I'm not a fan of the Sunrise Movement. But the quotes that you're posting weren't just him
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 11:23 AM
3 hrs ago

riffing on a podcast by himself. He was in conversation with Khury Petersen-Smith, a young Black activist who responded with the quote you've posted with this:

That said you’re raising a really sharp question, which is, there’s the role that a small, but very visible section of black America has found its niche within you’ve got like Eric Adams running New York City, which is wild for many reasons. But yeah, what does it mean when that’s the black mayor who is absolutely the vehicle for some of the most horrific expansion of policing and surveillance.

He is a conduit and a voice for a kind of democratic party version of the anti immigrant politics. It’s a disaster. So that’s a reality. And then there’s this, the question of the kind of traditional or legacy organizations of the Civil Rights movement, which and there has been, there’s less of a conversation about it now, but earlier in the Black Lives Matter experience, there was a conversation about tensions between the keep in mind or, let’s remember that Black Lives Matter emerged under Obama actually, right?

It's like, Trayvon Martin was murdered under Obama.


There are young/old and progressive/centrist splits in most movements and factions right now, and when it comes to the movements of people who have been dealing with different oppressions on top of straight Democratic politics, it's even more complicated. The debate about "respectability politics" in Black circles is a big one. That's what this discussion was about.

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Congressional Black Caucus PAC response lapucelle 18 hrs ago #1
Ugh! Glad h's getting well deserved "Backlash" for Cha 16 hrs ago #22
Emily's List response: lapucelle 18 hrs ago #2
My comments "were taken out of context!!!" sheshe2 17 hrs ago #3
Buzzfeed did a deep dive into allegations of tokenization in the Sunrise Movement. lapucelle 17 hrs ago #6
I knew there was a reason I didn't trust those clowns fujiyamasan 14 hrs ago #79
"That's not who I am" mcar 16 hrs ago #15
This is a problem MustLoveBeagles 17 hrs ago #4
A lot of people with very different perspectives see what they want to see in these stories, I think. WhiskeyGrinder 17 hrs ago #5
William Lawrence certainly saw what he wanted to see, and it is a different perspective. lapucelle 16 hrs ago #8
He sounds immature. yardwork 5 hrs ago #93
I want to be clear that I'm not a fan of the Sunrise Movement. But the quotes that you're posting weren't just him WhiskeyGrinder 3 hrs ago #108
I would be inclined to agree with you except there's a larger pattern. yardwork 3 hrs ago #109
Marx wasn't wrong when he talked about the inherent contradictions of capitalism and I believe there are inherent WhiskeyGrinder 3 hrs ago #110
We certainly have cracks to exploit. yardwork 3 hrs ago #111
"And every effort to fix things gets blocked." WhiskeyGrinder 3 hrs ago #112
That is the fundamental problem in the U.S. yardwork 3 hrs ago #114
There's nothing progressive about a young white guy claiming that Black imperialists are the problem, lapucelle 3 hrs ago #113
. WhiskeyGrinder 2 hrs ago #115
Uh huh. BannonsLiver 15 hrs ago #41
How you experience Amerikkka JustAnotherGen 4 hrs ago #101
Platner 2.0. Here we go again. AloeVera 16 hrs ago #7
You told me that you put me on ignore. lapucelle 16 hrs ago #9
Oh, snap! sheshe2 16 hrs ago #24
. MorbidButterflyTat 15 hrs ago #49
Busted! MineralMan 5 hrs ago #95
I've no idea JustAnotherGen 4 hrs ago #103
Is this the common element? They both said / wrote terrible things about Black people lapucelle 16 hrs ago #10
The question should be Boo1 16 hrs ago #13
Yeah here we go again mcar 16 hrs ago #17
I don't think the flag in question is red. N/t AloeVera 16 hrs ago #25
Then what is it? nt mcar 15 hrs ago #31
It's the colour of a weaponized nothing-burger. AloeVera 15 hrs ago #51
Translation RandySF 15 hrs ago #63
Not DSA. Israel. Sympthsical 12 hrs ago #84
First they came for... Behind the Aegis 12 hrs ago #85
Oh, it's a whole thing Sympthsical 12 hrs ago #86
This message was self-deleted by its author AloeVera 15 hrs ago #45
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF 15 hrs ago #59
There is one common denominator that keeps popping up. sheshe2 16 hrs ago #27
I have no hope that the backers of these people will ever learn, she mcar 15 hrs ago #32
Sadly true, mcar. sheshe2 15 hrs ago #46
Oh I agree, but I don't think we're talking about the same one. AloeVera 15 hrs ago #39
... sheshe2 15 hrs ago #55
Ok. AloeVera 15 hrs ago #57
What's Trumpier than a white man complaining that Black people are standing in his very entitled way? lapucelle 5 hrs ago #94
Exactly! yardwork 4 hrs ago #98
Most people in this country, at least most Democrats and left leaning people, are not happy with the Israeli Government Quiet Em 14 hrs ago #71
This is the crucial point. yardwork 5 hrs ago #89
If the defense of the slaughter of brown Muslim children is not racist I don't know what is. AloeVera 5 hrs ago #96
Who is defending the slaughter of children? yardwork 4 hrs ago #100
"I said 'Black' 50 times!" just popped into my head. betsuni 15 hrs ago #48
Yup. It's becoming a pattern and it's starting to seem like it's intentional. Quiet Em 15 hrs ago #67
Planter's a Sexual woman abuser, and Sanders Cha 16 hrs ago #26
See post #39. Nt AloeVera 14 hrs ago #68
They both said stupid stuff that came back to bite them on the ass? EX500rider 15 hrs ago #52
May the far left has a problem. RandySF 15 hrs ago #61
They are both flawed and probematic men who run as Democrats? Quiet Em 15 hrs ago #66
Here we go, it's starting. Lawrence is "flawed". AloeVera 14 hrs ago #70
I was going easy on him. Quiet Em 14 hrs ago #72
sleep on it, but when you wake up ask yourself why to think an ass like this is helpful in any way Quiet Em 14 hrs ago #73
Something about U.S. Middle East foreign policy being the most important single issue, apparently. betsuni 14 hrs ago #80
And it's getting really old and ridiculous Quiet Em 13 hrs ago #81
Top anti-Democratic attacks 2028: betsuni 12 hrs ago #83
Keep asking who benefits. yardwork 4 hrs ago #102
Has Bernie endorsed this guy? nt LexVegas 16 hrs ago #11
Yup. N/T lapucelle 16 hrs ago #12
Jamie Raskin recently endorsed William Lawrence. nt PufPuf23 15 hrs ago #35
Ugh...This is a seat that is currently held by the GOP. LeftInTX 15 hrs ago #47
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF 15 hrs ago #64
Defangs the white left? mcar 16 hrs ago #14
You see, the real problem is that Black imperialists are defanging white leftists. lapucelle 16 hrs ago #19
Won't somebody help the poor, poor white men? mcar 16 hrs ago #20
They love to play the victim... see Cha 15 hrs ago #38
Republican voters think whites face the most discrimination, have fewer advantages. betsuni 14 hrs ago #74
Horseshoe threory Boo1 13 hrs ago #82
Like Platner, Lawrence is a white man who grew up in affluence and centers himself. lapucelle 5 hrs ago #92
I think it's time to start looking at influences. yardwork 4 hrs ago #97
Buzzfeed did a deep dive into allegations of racism in the Sunrise Movement. lapucelle 4 hrs ago #107
HUGE.RED.FLAG. Skittles 16 hrs ago #29
Black voters save our democracy over and over. yardwork 16 hrs ago #16
This! mcar 16 hrs ago #18
They do MustLoveBeagles 16 hrs ago #28
I'll never forget the Black Caucus standing up to Dubya being awarded the presidency by the SC Skittles 15 hrs ago #30
I was cheering them on MustLoveBeagles 15 hrs ago #62
I WAS TOO Skittles 14 hrs ago #75
I remember those types saying Black Democratic voters have Stockholm syndrome. betsuni 16 hrs ago #21
Pretty sure that was Manny Goldstein that posted that crap. sheshe2 15 hrs ago #44
I think it was WillyT, but Third Way Manny mocking Obama was also garbage, yet so popular. betsuni 15 hrs ago #54
I believe you are right, betsuni. sheshe2 15 hrs ago #60
Never did get along with Manny. MineralMan 4 hrs ago #99
True... sheshe2 4 hrs ago #106
Ohhhh, boy, dude.... electric_blue68 16 hrs ago #23
After what happened with Platner MustLoveBeagles 15 hrs ago #33
yup Skittles 15 hrs ago #34
I was a Platner skeptic who softened and became a supporter MustLoveBeagles 15 hrs ago #58
Guess what, bill. The whole quote, in context, is even MORE niyad 15 hrs ago #36
let's hope it's not another "nazi tattoo moment" Skittles 15 hrs ago #37
Let us indeed hope. niyad 15 hrs ago #40
Oh no! I'm getting him and candidate in AZ mixed up.... LeftInTX 15 hrs ago #42
"...the white left..." MorbidButterflyTat 15 hrs ago #43
It is bizarre sarisataka 15 hrs ago #50
I know, Stupid. Is that how they want Cha 12 hrs ago #87
The context sounds even worse. RandySF 15 hrs ago #53
In context it's clear what he meant, and it's awful. yardwork 5 hrs ago #90
Here is Lawrence's statement on X. AloeVera 15 hrs ago #56
CYA RandySF 15 hrs ago #65
He can't walk back the fact that he singled out Black politicians and voters. yardwork 5 hrs ago #91
Lawrence has all the Cha 14 hrs ago #69
I would like to thank those people on this forum who support the black community Keepthesoulalive 14 hrs ago #76
You're welcome, and as usual, Black Americans are holding the line. yardwork 4 hrs ago #104
There's no walking back or dressing it up RandySF 14 hrs ago #77
There is a small but sadly growing segment on the left that seem to think they need to imitate MAGA to win Quiet Em 14 hrs ago #78
Look at who is funding them. yardwork 4 hrs ago #105
Another "blow it all up" progressive awesomerwb1 11 hrs ago #88
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